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Post by Ropegun on May 10, 2004 17:09:42 GMT -5
This is exactly my point, young Miss Calabi.
The christians think they are the chosen, the jews think they are the chosen, and so whether the christians realize it or not, they act in behalf of Israel.
Then you have the ADL/AIPAC stooges like we see in TSC and they do the same work.
So with all of this arrayed against us, and by us I mean those who don't like the consortium mentioned above, it will be extremely difficult to break through on this issue.
They have money, lobbying power, excellent organization, their man in the white house, the supreme court and congress all locked up.
This is why the Israelis have their way with amerika.
Peace.
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Post by tombldr on May 10, 2004 18:11:15 GMT -5
Still getting the following message: "Message boards are temporarily available only to registered users." Moses: that's true, you need to have a registered TSC handle to view their messageboards. Anyone can read their homepage stories. I was invited over here by POA, who told me that the moderator here was also a chimpster.. though didn't reveal who, saying it would be fun for me to try to recognize her style. So if you're not a chimpster he must be referring to another DDer. From the handles here at DD I figured there were alot of chimpsters, sticking with the same handles. Anyways, if the itch gets strong, it just takes a minute to register a handle at TSC. I'm pretty sure "Moses" is not taken as a handle, ;D It's nice in that you don't need to sign in each time there if you have cookies enabled.
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Post by calabi-yau on May 10, 2004 18:55:18 GMT -5
As this been posted at TSC yet ? I've been looking for it or was it deleted ?
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Post by Ropegun on May 10, 2004 20:04:50 GMT -5
Ok tombldr...... Its up at TSC. I used a pseudonym but the item is there. Lets see what happens.
Peace.
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Post by Ropegun on May 10, 2004 20:41:00 GMT -5
Well....that did'nt last long, did it? BoardNaggy/Nazi locked it in like 10 minutes. I tried.
Peace.
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Post by POA on May 10, 2004 20:57:00 GMT -5
This is exactly my point, young Miss Calabi. The christians think they are the chosen, the jews think they are the chosen, and so whether the christians realize it or not, they act in behalf of Israel. Then you have the ADL/AIPAC stooges like we see in TSC and they do the same work. So with all of this arrayed against us, and by us I mean those who don't like the consortium mentioned above, it will be extremely difficult to break through on this issue. They have money, lobbying power, excellent organization, their man in the white house, the supreme court and congress all locked up. This is why the Israelis have their way with amerika. Peace. I don't think this is about Jews or Judaism (since, after all Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn are both Jewish, and there are a lot of more religious Jews such as Lerner and some Orthodox groups that opposed Zionism), as much as this is about: 1) Zionism as a nationalist ideology which is exclusionary. Conflating Zionism with Judaism has had tragic results for pretty much everyone. 2) The fact that Zionism has interacted with the history of the United States government in such a way as to play off of several of the worst chronic diseases of our governmental system and American culture which are that: The government responds very well to lobbying by people with money, particularly if they're well-organized. The government has about the worst problems a political system could have with the military-industrial complex without being fascist in such a way that absolutely nobody could deny it. The society itself has been so deeply propagandized with "city on a hill" messianic/religious rhetoric, that religious and political figures can use said rhetoric in order to manipulate people into supporting Zionism.
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Post by calabi-yau on May 10, 2004 21:08:15 GMT -5
I concur POA. Religious zealotry just as jingoism is used by those who want to rule and reign.
Religious fervor and marketed propaganda are both psychotropic drugs for the masses and that's why the world is as it is today.
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Post by tombldr on May 10, 2004 21:16:43 GMT -5
Well....that did'nt last long, did it? BoardNaggy/Nazi locked it in like 10 minutes. I tried. Peace. Locked it? or Deleted it? I just looked in the nifty fifty and didn't see a subject line resembling it. Also, what's a psudonym? Is that like another chimp profile, just for fertilizer-disturbing?
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Post by Ropegun on May 10, 2004 21:20:17 GMT -5
Deleted it.........gone........stricken from the record. A pseudonym is another nic....yes, so I can be a provocateur if I want to. I don't use it much. Only to slag on idiots in there.
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Post by tombldr on May 10, 2004 21:46:38 GMT -5
wow, that's amazing, Rope. Did it even have time to attract the usual ADL whips to label you antisemetic? or did BN just see the storm and cut it preemptively?
Did you edit it so not to bait the usual ADL whips by name? And remove DD references?
If it's as bad as all that, then TSC is truly a lost cause. The post was written thoughfully and asked honest questions about the role of Israel. If that got censored, DELETED no less so that it couldn't even be read-- that's very telling about the agenda of the cowardly BN's there, like undercover BN bloffofobbin.
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Post by Moses on May 11, 2004 0:31:10 GMT -5
I was a registered poster for 3 years? But I was locked out because when they had the thread about why anyone should even discuss Israel? Why was it even an issue, I stated that the Iraq War was being waged on behalf of Israel.
I was immediately locked out.
To me, it is pointless to have "discussions" that avoid the one major issue that is taking this country down, and involves massive deaths. It's evil to even participate in such "discussions".
The Board is a front for special interests, clearly.
I had even contributed money, which I regret.
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Post by Ropegun on May 11, 2004 0:33:27 GMT -5
I deleted references to actaul names of chimpsters, any mentions of DD and all that.
I kept in the mentions od ADL and added AIPAC alongside, as in ADL/AIPAC.
It was changed enough to not be incriminating per se.
None of the hacks really got ahold of it. The responses to it were positive. People said things like "good points" and "excellent questions".
Methinks you wrote a good piece, which is why I went ahead and took your dare to post it.
BoardNazi must've known the trouble a pice like that would brew, so it was immediately, as in 10 minutes, completely erased from the list.
Well done Tom.
We should try it again.
Peace.
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Post by Moses on May 11, 2004 0:39:07 GMT -5
I should mention that over the 3 years I watched how they operated to drive people off the boards -- They have had a certain agenda from the beginning, in terms of restricting and directing "discussion".
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Post by tombldr on May 12, 2004 23:28:23 GMT -5
another one bites the dust at SC: www.smirkingchimp.com/viewtopic.php?topic=40611&forum=3Notice how the moron who started it tries to wow readers with his fancy pants "intellectually honest" blather and Latin phrases; then his message is just standard ADL pap, insulting the intelligence of readers outside of the ADL cabal there; which BoardNazi is evidently a card carrying member of. Despite the moronic opening salvo, the thread held the potential to turn into an informative dialog about the distinctions between Israel, Jews, Zionism etc but nooooooooooo, not at SC, where BN knows best-- consistently acting as though Chimpsters lack the knowledge and maturity to have such a dialog and make up their own minds as to the truth.
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Post by Moses on May 12, 2004 23:42:43 GMT -5
Since I am locked out from even reading the posts, I can't check it out, but we have noticed that what you describe is cookbook propaganda for the (Israeli-agent) fascists asigned to whip the left. Kristoff w/ the Times (advocating national ID cards) and Applebaum (lived "in Europe" for 16 years and is now a columnist and on the editorial board of the Post) who advocates bio-weapons research.
So, again, the "liberals" are being whipped.
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