Bilderberg 2005

[tombldr]

you gotta read this,
"The world in the palm of their hands: Bilderberg 2005" www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/052405Estulin/052405estulin.html

I'm not sure how familiar you all are if at all with the Bilderberg group, they're sort of a collection of the worlds top mover shakers, "illuminati", New World Order cabal. They try to keep their annual meetings private/secret, so getting info about what they're conspiring is hard but this reporter has made sort of a name for himself by infiltrating it. lots of insight about the future of oil, wars, economys etc.

Here's also an mp3 of the above journalist interviewed on the Alex Jones radio show. It's most of an hour. Lots of overlap with the above article.
www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/270505estulin.mp3

For those unfamiliar with Jones, he's a rather excitable fellow, but Estulin gets alot of info in, largely redundant with the above article.

[Moses]

Your description of Bilderberg meeting is great-- I always have trouble explaining it without sounding like Tim McVay or somebody.

I heard one of their invitees-- a journalist whose name I forget-- Jonathan something-- say it was no big deal (seeing as he was invited, he posited)

However, just the clear lack of diversity of those invited, in terms of their income and power levels, the fact that these are the most powerful people in the world-- it's a bad thing.

[tombldr]

Online Journal has posted a PART II to this Bilderberg report. Long but surprisingly succinct, and worth it's weight in gold if knowing a little about what the shadow gummit/illuminati etc are talking about has value.

www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/060705Estulin/060705estulin.html

From the "conclusions":

"... Through lies and obfuscations, Bilderbergers are desperately trying to foist onto the unwilling world population a totalitarian, one-world government, a single global currency and a syncretic universal religion.

Those of us who care deeply about the future of politics, domestic and international, cannot afford to ignore the fact that the grimly political One World Government is no longer merely a shadow subculture. It has, in fact, emerged as the dominant force in world affairs. "

[Moses]

Although the discussions he reports are very interesting, and likely to be accurate, I don't trust this source partly because his framework-- that One World Government will be imposed through the UN, is an old right wing component, and it also seems like the UN is dominated by the US, (and thus Israel) so government by way of the UN would be One World Government by the US (which in fact is a stated goal of the neocons in both parties).

Also this statement of his:

Although the United States pays more into the foreign aid piggy bank than any country in the world, the Bilderbergers and the United Nations are poised to demand much more funding from them to meet the peacebuilding proposal.

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is untrue.

But the reports of the discussions there are very interesting, and I don't know why one should doubt them.

The organization seems to be dominated by those w/ associatiions to israeli interests and Israelis, which is not in keeping w/ the size of Israel, its economy, or its age. This is very telling, I think.

[tombldr]

admin said:

Although the discussions he reports are very interesting, and likely to be accurate, I don't trust this source partly because his framework-- that One World Government will be imposed through the UN, is an old right wing component, and it also seems like the UN is dominated by the US, (and thus Israel) so government by way of the UN would be One World Government by the US (which in fact is a stated goal of the neocons in both parties).

Actually as a student of the New World Order (NWO), I don't gather you can attach a "wing" to the phenom. It's pretty well agreed among NWO students that the UN is intended to morph into the administrative seat of their future vision of a (tyranical, Orwellian) one world gummit. It's not a CT owned by any given side of the artificial left/right divide.. it's just how TPTB (globalists, Western banking cartels, secret societies, "illuminati" organs like CFR and Bilderberg) have decided they want to structure the world. The left/right paradigm is stoked by TPTB to keep the sheeple divided, proccupied, and conquered. So Estulin's bluntly telling it like it (as I've come to understand it) adds to his credibility in my book.

I can't comment on your claim about Estulin's "foreign aid piggy bank" without more research. But part of the NWO roadmap is the economic destruction of the US as a necessity in rolling out world gummit... so I find Estulin's claim plausible. Surely you agree there's an economic meltdown being engineered for the US (a tsunami which will engulf the world) by TPTB.

[Moses]

US foreign aid is not only lower than other countries, but is far lower, given the size of its population and wealth.

It seems to me that a NWO is being devised, but by way of buying politicians in the democracies to enact laws that are identical (much the way David Horowitz or the Chamber of Commerce or other Special Interest groups operate: State by State). They don't really need to operate through the UN-- the UN is simply a tool that they may use perhaps.

It also seems to me that powerful interests/ideologues within the US are the major players behind the NWO-- many of whom are far-right and mistrustful of the UN, particularly due to its resolutions regarding Israel. Richard Perle and the German Greens, e.g., are in favor of minimizing the role of the UN, and reducing it to a vehicle for "humanitarian aid", but are interested in reducing it as a political force. (This is due to the UN resolutions against Israeli aggression).

As long as the players are able to go in and purchase governments (like the NED does, e.g.) and then seize the assets of various nations, I think that they will continue to operate in an invisible manner, and through the economies, with capital,resources, and political power concentrated in very few hands.

I do believe that the US economy is being deliberately destroyed, as well as inadvertantly destroyed by ideologues who are essentially foreign reactionaries, and who also have a deliberate agenda of destroying the constitution, which they are of course in the process of doing. This particular group doesn't believe in nation-states, and wishes to eradicate them, and that includes the US. They see the world entirely in terms of capital, and worship capital, and believe that money is God.

[tombldr]

The history and role of the UN is rich, but I'd guess the divide in our impressions about them and the NWO boils down to whether and to what degree one chooses to believe in an "accidental view of history" (as taught in schools), or a "conspiratorial view of history".

I can point you to this online book which pretty well represents a conspiatorial view of history, and where we're headed. I don't vouch for it 100% nor have I read all of it-- but what I have read is fairly erudite and well sourced, and it overlaps greatly with much of what I've been learning about and am inclined to believe. My eyes tend to glaze over in religious discussions, but wrt the "religion" of TPTB/NWO cabal, even I've warmed up to the notion that TPTB are indeed devil (Lucifer) worshippers. It's a rich subject but little else can explain their inhumanity, rampant pedophilia etc.

Here's the book's outline, follow the link for hotlinks to the full text of each chapter:

The Police State Road Map

Contents

Preface

Part 1

Three Hundred Trillion Dollars and Counting


Chapter 1 MONEY

1.1 The Money Magicians
1.2 The Banking Cartel

Chapter 2 THE GREAT TRUST

2.1 The Military-Industrial Complex
2.2 Five Monopolies
2.3 Who Owns the Stock?
2.4 Who Owns the Media?

Chapter 3 THE GREAT TRUST AND WESTERN FOREIGN POLICY

3.1 International Relations Policy Groups
3.2 Tax Exempt Foundations and Charity Funding
3.3 The IMF and World Bank
3.4 Control over Western Governments

Chapter 4 COMMUNISM AND FASCISM

4.1 The Heart of the Issue: Power and Property Rights
4.2 Lessons From History

Chapter 5 LESSER DEVELOPED COUNTRIES

5.1 Empowering Third World Governments
5.2 The Sell Off

Chapter 6 PRIVATISATION IN THE WEST

6.1 Public Private Partnership
6.2 The Policy Comes from the Top


Part 2

The Art of Killing Quietly


Chapter 7 THE ECONOMY

7.1 The Function of Poverty
7.2 Monetary and Fiscal Policy
7.3 Free Trade Agreements
7.4 Open Borders
7.5 The Environmental Movement
7.6 War as a Means of Planned Waste
7.7 Criminalizing Society
7.8 Disease

Chapter 8 THE NEW POLITICAL SYSTEM

8.1 The Future of Democracy
8.2 Banning Opposition to World Government
8.3 Creating Regional Governments
8.4 World Government or World War Three

Chapter 9 THE WAR ON TERROR

9.1 CIA/MI6/Mossad/ISI: The Global Terrorist Network
9.2 Proliferating Weapons of Mass Destruction

Chapter 10 MARTIAL LAW

10.1 Martial Law Legislation
10.2 Foreign Troops
10.3 Gun Confiscation

Chapter 11 THE LEGAL APPARATUS OF TOTALITARIANISM

11.1 Integration
11.2 UK Mental Health Laws
11.3 Abolition of Juries and Arbitrary Detention
11.4 Expanding the Definition of 'Terrorism'
11.5 Surveillance Legislation
11.6 The Ruling Class Above the Law

Chapter 12 THE TECHNOLOGICAL APPARATUS OF TOTALITARIANISM

12.1 ID Cards and Biometric Identification
12.2 Computer Databases
12.3 DNA Databases
12.4 Implantable Microchips
12.5 Radio Frequency Identification
12.6 Car and Mobile Phone Tracking
12.7 Surveillance Cameras
12.8 Black Budget Funding

Chapter 13 RELIGION AND THE FAMILY

13.1 Elitism and the New Age Religion
13.2 Caught in the Act at Bohemian Grove
13.3 Targeting the Young
13.4 Banning Monotheism
13.5 Enforcing Love of Big Brother
13.6 Sexual Abuse

Chapter 14 POPULATION CONTROL

14.1 Funding Population Control
14.2 Aims and Methods
14.3 Environmentalism
14.4 Public Health Policy and Western Medicine
14.5 Cancer
14.6 Vaccination
14.7 Mind Control Technology
14.8 Junk Food
14.9 Fluoride
14.10 Germ Warfare
14.11 Depleted Uranium
14.12 Forced Abortion and Sterilization
14.13 GM Food
14.14 Weather Modification
14.15 Nanotechnology
14.16 Eugenics

Conclusion

[Moses]

Wow. It looks very interesting and comprehensive. I'll definitely take a look at it.

Speaking of vaccines, I think I saw that in some legislation which just passed the house, there is provision for testing HIV/AIDS vaccines on babies and children. I think it is in the FDA - related legislation.

[Moses]

6.1 Public Private Partnership

I saw an example of this today-- touted as so wonderful but of course guess who then controls our public institutions, the bureaucrats, and the pols?

[Moses]

Abolition of Juries and Arbitrary Detention

If I'm not mistaken, Blair succeeded in reducing Juries to 6 members.

And the US, having exported arbitrary detention tied to foreign aid, is now of course importing it, since the banana republic boys are now in charge.

[Moses]

Car and Mobile Phone Tracking

The technology is scarey. In discussing a mysterious charge on my TMobile bill, the accounts receivable clerk argued w/ me by referring to calls I had made or received (and she did so very rapidly) in a way that made me feel that she was in an authoritarian role. As it turned out, I was able to prove, by way of her own information, that the call with the very large charge, though she claimed the originator was untracable, came from a subcontractor of TMobile (or TMobile itself). I didn't think it was right for TMobile to ring the phones of its customers and rack up large charges. But the experience was frightening and I now use the phone as little as possible.

[Moses]

This chapter does not comport with what has occurred at all. In fact, Monotheism is being enforced. Lieberman, Bush, and others have stated over and over that "we all worship the same God". I happen to know about this one and where it is coming from.

Now there may be religions that are sort of formed and organized by quasi-intelligence orgs/NGOs, for the purpose of controlling a population that would otherwise be harder to manipulate. (That is, people who don't go to Church)-- they use the old European model of a state controlled church and political control as throught the Catholic Church and the priests. Once people drift away from organized religion, they lose the means of controlling these groups of people, and therefore it is possible that there are funds for gurus and such to draw them in, and then they can direct them as to what to think and how to vote, what to focus on and what to ignore.

[Moses]

CIA/MI6/Mossad/ISI: The Global Terrorist Network
9.2 Proliferating Weapons of Mass Destruction


It is quite noticable and alarming that the War v. Iraq was essentially conducted by an alliance that exists behind the curtain-- an alliance of intelligence agencies/military-to-military w/ governments that are controlled by members of the cabal. Denmark, e.g. -- why did that government support the war, and even sentence one of its own intelligence officers to 5 years jail for leaking the fact that Blair's dossier was ludicrous? It's not that the people of Denmark supported the war against Iraq, and yet their government allied itself w/ the US. The alliance seems to have fallen along the lines of those countries which have also signed up for NMD bases.

So clearly, there is something more powerful operating in these countries than the supposedly democratic government.

[tombldr]

admin said:

This chapter does not comport with what has occurred at all. In fact, Monotheism is being enforced. Lieberman, Bush, and others have stated over and over that "we all worship the same God". I happen to know about this one and where it is coming from.

Yeah when I said I don't vouch for it 100% the book's religious rantings were foremost on my mind. But I'm with you on religion as a social control and political lever.. not to mention keeps the poor from killing the rich-- and thus is utterly relevant. Heh, and I was a roman catholic altar boy. Managed to avoid getting molested. As I think back now on a couple of those priests in my adult mind, definite flamers.

ps- I'm not sure but I gather the author's English. Alot of Euro-centric stuff as well as USA stuff. I was looking at the section on sexual abuse and really wanted to see the Franklin Credit Union scandal (midnight tours of the WH by young boys during bush 1...) but it was absent... lots of euro stories though.

[Moses]

Interesting. Do you think we could come up w/ a conspiracy theory about these particular conspiracy theorists?