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Post by RPankn on May 28, 2005 8:22:53 GMT -5
This thread gets kind of hilarious when the back and forth between "reddemma" (looks like another alias of MDDem) and janeearus starts: www.smirkingchimp.com/viewtopic.php?topic=56220&forum=7And then there's "ecojew"'s letter from an aide of Menachim Begin, but no proof that such a letter exists. Not that anyone should believe a Likudnik anyway.
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Post by Moses on May 28, 2005 9:00:06 GMT -5
Great thread. Learned alot from Janearus, and then of course one gets treated to the Usraeli propaganda from the dual loyalists.
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Post by tombldr on May 28, 2005 15:03:02 GMT -5
This thread gets kind of hilarious when the back and forth between "reddemma" (looks like another alias of MDDem) and janeearus starts: www.smirkingchimp.com/viewtopic.php?topic=56220&forum=7And then there's "ecojew"'s letter from an aide of Menachim Begin, but no proof that such a letter exists. Not that anyone should believe a Likudnik anyway. yous chimpsters should strike while the iron's hot on the israeli spy scandal, rising awarness of AIPAC etc, just to drive the whips there crazy. They can only reasonably bust out their transparent/dishonest "anti-semitic" flame thrower so often, and bloffo can only lock/delete so many threads when they'll realize the futility, and risk of backfire, of their agenda of quietly supressing all attention/discussion of the Zionist influence in the US... Other chimpsters will likely follow my path of enlightenment, where I went from being effectively whipped, but after seeing so much dishonest control & manipulation of any thread which touched anything Israel, that it actually piqued my curiousity to learn the truth of the Zionist influence which they were systematically trying to supress from me and the whole flock at SC. Here's an older article which I vividly remember not only being locked at SC, but indeed actually being deleted. The book burned. Serving Two Flags: Neo-Cons, Israel and the Bush AdministrationSimilarly, while the excellent video "Power of Nightmares" got alot of praise, I also really liked another british documentary, "The War Party", which spent quite a bit of time on the dubious relationship between the neocons and Zionism. See either/both of these vids at www.informationclearinghouse.info (left pane, scroll down to "multimedia"). Consider linking to this fine flick at SC, which holds the hope of waking up just a few more people there.
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Post by tombldr on May 28, 2005 15:43:04 GMT -5
sorry it's a PDF, otherwise it would be great if you could post the image of the ad to, oh say, SC Today's New York Times (print edition) has a full-page advertisement on page 5 from the Council for the National Interest Foundation headlined:
AIPAC’s Agenda is Not America’s The ad is well-done and makes excellent points, including: ISRAEL, STOP SPYING ON AMERICA! I cannot remember an explicit anti-AIPAC ad ever running in a mainstream paper.
The ad is signed by two former Congressmen, Paul Findley (R-Illinois), Paul “Pete” McCloskey (R-California), and former Senator James Abourezk (D-South Dakota).
Read the ad.
www.antiwar.com/rep/AIPACs-Agenda.pdf
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Post by tombldr on May 28, 2005 19:58:27 GMT -5
Sort of a 2-fer post. At WhippedChimp: Holocaust surviver Leaving US-sees Whats coming. Rense.comI thought, this'll be interesting for the whips to handle: invoking the holocaust, while also name dropping Rense.com which is consistently anti-zionist, both right in the subject line. Could send some adventurous chimpsters over to Rense, outside of the safe AIPAC whipped bubble of SC. They could get ideas, be led astray! So I opened the thread to check how long it took for one of the whips to chime in. Trusty ol' veteran whip Sherimj was indeed on patrol & didn't disappoint, posting just 24 mins after the thread was opened, in reply 6: It's a great article and all that.
But do we really need a link to Rense's anti-Semitic hate site?
EDIT: Here's a link to Picador's original article at JusticeForNone.
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Post by RPankn on May 28, 2005 20:16:05 GMT -5
Here's the text of the ad and a cartoon accompanying it in case anyone has trouble with using Acrobat. AIPAC’S Agenda is Not America’sJOIN THE CAMPAIGN TO CONTAIN AND CONSTRAIN THE ISRAEL LOBBY, ESPECIALLY THE AMERICAN ISRAEL PUBLIC AFFAIRS COMMITTEE (AIPAC), AND ITS ALLIES, INCLUDING CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS. The top priority for Middle East peace is to contain the overwhelming influence on U.S. Middle East policy by the right-wing government of Israel. Almost every nation is perplexed at American permissiveness towards Israel, which has resulted in a nation without borders and policies without common sense. Until Israel defines itself and becomes a good neighbor to the Palestinians and Syrians, the issue of failed Middle East peace efforts will continue to metastasize terror around the world. THE DEBATE WE ARE MISSINGThe Israel lobby is out of control. It shuts down any rational debate or even any discussion of Israel’s actions. Three past heads of Israel’s security service, Shin Bet, have said that the actions of the present Israeli government are self-destructive, yet those views are not heard by the American public. The many organizations that make up the Israel lobby include several whose main effort is to intimidate editors and producers in the media and prevent an open discourse about Israeli policies and our uncritical support for those policies. WHAT IS GOOD FOR ISRAEL IS NOT ALWAYS GOOD FOR AMERICAThe agenda of AIPAC and of the Israel lobby has never been the agenda of America in the Middle East. The present government of Israel is undermining long-term American interests and the war on terror. Even the half-step of disengagement from Gaza and a few of the Jewish colonies on the West Bank is not what Palestinians and a majority of peace-seeking Israelis have dreamed of and struggled for. ISRAEL, STOP SPYING ON AMERICA!The close relationship of the Israeli lobby with the embassy of Israel and its rightwing government has created conditions for widespread espionage that has undermined the formation of credible policies for the United States in the Middle East. Our national security has been breached and incidents have continued almost up to this day. "Doing work as a lobbyist, I often think: What would the Israelis want me to do — so, where is the line between being a pro-Israel lobbyist and representing the wishes of somebody else? I don't know where that line is. . . . When does [our work] change from being a cheerleader to being a client?"— Senior staffer with a major American Jewish group (The Forward, May 13, 2005)Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger said that he could not “conceive of a greater harm to national security than that caused by” Jonathan Jay Pollard, a Naval Intelligence officer currently serving a life sentence for selling a roomful of classified documents to Israel. Now we have another break in American intelligence, this one resulting in the arrest of a mid-level Defense Department analyst, Larry Franklin. The case directly involves high-ranking AIPAC officials, Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman. AIPAC vigorously defended both men for months before firing them to preserve AIPAC’s credibility with their contributors and with members of Congress. Franklin is accused of passing classified information on to the AIPAC officials, who in turn called the Israeli embassy and a reporter at the Washington Post. Franklin approached AIPAC because he wanted them to influence President George W. Bush. Promoting the agenda of the government of Israel, even using U.S. classified information to do so, has been one basic strategy of the Israel lobby. THE LOBBY REVEALS ITSELFLobby spokespersons are quite brazen in describing how they operate: "It is routine for us to say: This is our policy on a certain issue, but we must check what the Israelis think.”-- Activist with a major American Jewish group, The Forward (May 13, 2005)And they like to work in the dark: "A lobby is like a night flower: It thrives in the dark and dies in the sun."— Steve Rosen, recently fired AIPAC policy director, in an internal AIPAC memo, cited Jerusalem Post, August 24, 2004Three Israeli generals are on the program for AIPAC’s annual policy conference this week, but not a single American in uniform is there. If an American goal in invading Iraq was to ensure Israeli security, then why didn’t AIPAC honor one of the wounded Americans instead of three Israeli generals? NEW LEGISLATION IS NEEDEDJoin the campaign to support legislation that will apply to all lobbies working on behalf of foreign governments. We propose a Foreign Lobby Registration Act (FLORA), an act designed to make lobbies supporting foreign governments more transparent and accountable to the American people. It will also make clear that those lobbies do not work on behalf of American interests but, in fact, work to support the narrow interests of a foreign government. More than 60% of American voters according to a Zogby International poll believe AIPAC should be registered as the agent of a foreign government. If implemented under a FLORA, this would mean transparency in resources used by AIPAC dedicated to furthering the right-wing government of Israel. Contributors would have to be publicly listed. It would also put an end to the undeserved tax-exempt status that some foreign lobbies enjoy. We are joining with other organizations and individuals, including former congressmen, to promote such legislation this year. The Council for the National Interest Foundation (CNIF) is a 501 (c) (3) tax-exempt organization that works to promote a rational and even-handed Middle East policy in the long-term interest of America, Israel, and the Arab states. It was founded fifteen years ago by former Congressmen Paul Findley (R-Illinois) and Paul “Pete” McCloskey (R-California) and its vice chairman is former Senator James Abourezk (D-South Dakota). We hold Capitol Hill hearings on the Middle East peace process and American policy towards the entire region. See our websites or call us at 800- 296-6958. YES, I WANT TO JOIN THE CAMPAIGN TO REGISTER FOREIGN LOBBIES AND I WANT TO TAKE ACTION TO PROMOTE REGISTRATION OF AIPAC AS THE AGENT OF A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. NAME _____________________________________ EMAIL _________________________ ADDRESS __________________________________________________________________ CITY _______________________________ STATE _______ ZIP ___________________ Send a tax-deductible contribution to: CNI Foundation ~ 1250 4th Street SW ~ Suite WG-1 ~ Washington, DC 20024AIPAC’s Agenda is Not America’s CNIF 800-296-6958 ~ inform@cnionline.org ~ www.rescuemideastpolicy.com ~ www.cnionline.org“We have one advantage over other organizations — we only have to promote the state of Israel.”— Former AIPAC Executive Director Thomas Dine, speaking at an AIPAC conferenceCouncil for the National Interest Foundation 1250 4th Street SW Suite WG-1 Washington, DC 20024
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Post by Moses on May 29, 2005 8:03:04 GMT -5
This was the reason for the war, and why they had to go to such lengths to lie and orchestrate propaganda, and maybe even some "terrorist acts" to bring it about.
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Post by tombldr on Jul 22, 2005 13:29:04 GMT -5
Welp, I've been monitoring the 'Official 911 Story' skeptics thread over at SC. Pleased to see how lively it's become in the past couple months... a sign of more people waking up. So yesterday AM I couldn't resist any longer, I signed up a new SC profile and got in and left 3 new replies to the above thread, #s 829, 830, & 831 under the username 'ElMaestro'. Nothing flamey or controversial, totally on topic. This morning I added replies to 2 frontpage stories, this'n and this'n. So I go check in just now, and I'm banned. It's funny, posts 829-831 now don't show any username, but the posts are in tact. Those AIPAC whips run a tight ship over there I guess.
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Post by tombldr on Jul 25, 2005 9:22:42 GMT -5
What a paradox. SC relegates all 911 Truth discussion to one omnibus thread, so that AIPAC whips boloNanny and cerwiller can more easily whip/ridicule/plant disinfo in it, then tiedrich drops this story onto the front page (near the bottom, "below the fold" mind you): Danny Schechter: 'Conspiracy theories and the fight for truth' (Common Dreams) Aren't tiedrich and boloNanny on the same page on this 911 Truth matter? They're not functioning like a well oiled machine... Lots of articles and video clips of this weekend's 911-Truth event chaired by Cynthia McKinney available at www.911blogger.com
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Post by Moses on Jul 25, 2005 20:14:41 GMT -5
I was out of town for the symposiums and such this weekend -- had I been here I would have liked especially to attend the one that had a panel w/ Danny Schecter and Ray McGovern on it.
I can only guess that Tiedrich loved Schecter's disparaging comments about the 9/11 Truth activists, and that is why he posted it.
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Post by tombldr on Sept 6, 2005 12:46:04 GMT -5
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Post by POA on Sept 6, 2005 17:03:24 GMT -5
I noticed. Even by SmirkingChimp history, the behavior of the management set new standards for the pathetic. I wonder what they're going to have to say when they find out that their lives are worth just as much as a Palestinian life to the people running this country-namely less than nothing?
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Post by tombldr on Sept 7, 2005 13:39:38 GMT -5
I noticed. Even by SmirkingChimp history, the behavior of the management set new standards for the pathetic. I wonder what they're going to have to say when they find out that their lives are worth just as much as a Palestinian life to the people running this country-namely less than nothing? I checked to see if bloffoNanny came back to quietly delete the evidence, 'tis still there but "panpipes" returned post-locking to edit his reply #2: "On Edit after topic was locked:
WOW! Not only did Boardnanny lock this with a snotty remark aimed at my preemptive statement about her/his tendency to lock threads about Israel's policies but s/he also threw in an ad hom comment questioning my ability to understand the reason for the locking which lets BN get some aggression out and act superior while not actually explaining what was the lockably offensive statement was.
Almost 24 hrs after I wrote BN a chimpmail requesting clarification I have received silence - so, in a public forum I ask again, what was wrong about my post? And this time, could you remove the personal attack upon my abilities to comprehend?
ON SECOND EDIT: Gotta wonder what "accusations" s/he is talking about...." Check this thread again tomorrow, bloffoNanny will surely have suicided the thread, in the name of AIPAC.
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Post by tombldr on Sept 12, 2005 10:03:16 GMT -5
boloNanny cracks the AIPAC whip yet again, reply #24 in this thread: (Discovery Channel) Flight 93 - The flight that fought back"I will begin to delete these obnoxious and unwanted comments when I see them and I will do so without notice. If you wonder where your comments have gone then look no further than this warning.
And please do not bother me with complaints about censorship.
If you want to help to change the direction of this country then offer your ideas.
If you want to post here then respect the sensibilities of the other members.
If all you intend to do is to issue vile adolescent and essentially brainless condemnations of everything American then go away.
BoardNanny "--American-as-apple-pie-AIPAC says: thou shalt not question the official 911 fairy tale, a tale which serves Israel's interests so well! Dissenting opinions will be censored without notice, be warned whipped-chimpsters!
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Post by karpomrx on Sept 12, 2005 10:20:13 GMT -5
To paraphrase Lincoln, I prefer tyranny pure, and not mixed with hypocricy.
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