I know this doesn't help but when it comes to survival, humans are the tops. A lot of what will happen is survival of the fittest it is the basic law of nature, those who can, will survive. Nobody can be ultimately prepared for any emergency, a lot of it is being able to think on ones feet and more than anything be able to adapt. But you all know this already.
The goal of life is living in agreement with nature. Zeno,
hey caxmattle, ropegun: I have a friend who, in spite of past gun-control leanings, has come to believe in recent years that having some heat on his side would be prudent in a post-TSHTF 'murka. His preference is having something off the books... something about believing guns will be prohibited within a few years. But with no connections, he doesn't know where to start looking. Any ideas?
Recap The Coming Gas Crisis Art Bell led off a night of special Open Lines by reading from an article titled The Long Emergency in which James Howard Kuntsler ponders America's problematic fate when it runs out of its cheap gas supply. Art then posed a number of questions for callers to consider, which included:
* Do you believe the oil crisis is real or a conspiracy? * At what pump price would your current lifestyle be unsustainable? * Would you steal or kill to feed your family?
Callers were split on whether the oil crisis is genuine or contrived. People said would they would start to be aversely affected when gas prices reached $4 a gallon, on the average. And most callers asserted that if society broke down into a Mad Max scenario, they would be willing to steal or kill for the survival of their families.
Stephanie, an organic farmer from Southern California, detailed that the majority of foods are produced using petroleum and that the average item travels 1,400 miles before arriving at a store. Accordingly, she's made landscaping precautions to guard against future theft at her farm.
Another caller suggested that the problem is that our refineries are in disrepair, and unable to process needed amounts of gas. Callers from Canada and France cast a critical eye on the United States, implying that not enough was being done here to deal with the crisis. A film producer living in Paris said they had adapted to higher prices there (currently $7 a gallon he estimated) and that in many metropolitan centers, people must leave their vehicles at the periphery and take rapid transit into the city. Europeans were also making a strong effort towards using biodiesel and electric as well as investigating zero point energy possibilities, he added.
There are some sites about that sell unfinished AR15 rifles, among others , as kits that you assemble yourself. They don't have any licensing issues due to the fact that they are not considered weapons by BATF. For one of those rifles to function, you need to purchase seperately the lower reciever, which is only 80% finished. You have to have some machining done to it to allow it to work. As it comes to you, it is useless. But in this manner you can get yourself a semi auto rifle without any paperwork. Google AR15 kits and you'll get the idea. You can also get heavier caliber rifle kits, such as FN-FAL and AK-47/AKM style, if that suits you better. If you like pistols like the M1911A1, those are possibilities too, in the way described above.
As far as food goes, stock up on your canned goods. They last a long time, as does honey, powdered milk, and that sort of thing. If stores or shops are unavailable or empty, you have to get your own food somehow. Growing it, as mentioned in the previous post, is a d**n fine idea. We should all be looking into this. If you like meat, and cannot find it in your store, then you have to hunt for it. A weapon is more than just for defense, and as such, I prefer to have handy a 12 guage shotgun, as it serves multiple purposes. You can shoot deer, birds, or whatever food animal you like, as well as defend yourself with it. Mossberg is my favorite, specifically the 500 series. They are cheap, reliable, and easy to find. Shotguns also tend to have less restrictions on them than other types of firearms.
I'll get into what you might find for food, as far as plants, in the future, as I'm assuming most of us here live in cities.
Have some way to make clean water for drinking and cooking. Boiling works best, as it kills everything, but requires fuel to burn. Altrenatively, a portable water filter works nicely, but the small backpack models are only good for about 200 gallons or so before the filter element needs to be changed. Remember that bleach can be used to purify water as well. Products with the names of "potable aqua" and aqua mira" work well too. Iodine tablets are another good one, but leave an unpleasant taste. Rainwater, if caught in something clean and used quickly requires no special treatment. There is currently on the market a device that you basically use to treat electronicly a small amount of water and mix it with a liter of untreated water. It is about the size of a pen and contains a battery and whatnot. These supposedly will treat an amount of water limited only to your battery stock. Look for the tradename "MSR MIROX". Ive yet to use one of these, but they look kinda cool. They are spendy, at $130.
All households should have an emergency supply of food and water at all times, in case of natural disaster.
Warmth is another issue entirely.
Clothing is very important. Synthetics rule, as they dry fast, and in the case of sleeping bags and filled jackets or fleece, they will continue to keep their insulating properties when wet.
Cotton sucks. In fact, cotton can kill you in the right circumstances.
Making fire is an essential skill. Ask Tom Hanks and he'll agree. I usually carry a small firestarter stick or a tea candle in my first aid kit. The firestarter stick looks just like a duraflame log. Wax with sawdust mixed in it. Simple and quite handy. You can get them at any sporting goods store.
You can use these starters to get your larger wet wood going. If you are in a wet climate like I am, the undersides of fallen branches can sometimes give up dry bark. Sometimes you have to peel away the outer layers to get to the dry, but something should be dry enough to burn.
Always carry a lighter. I have one in all mu first aid kits, as well as matches. These are absolutely essential. Like a knife, they are one of the things you must always have access to.
Building fires is pretty easy. Start with small, and I mean small twigs and dry grass or your starter stick and gradually build up as your flame grows. Ensure that you have enough fuel(wood) to keep your fire burning for a long while, as you will inevitable have to go look for more fuel. You don't want to return from wood gathering to find your precious fire started with your last match has gone out.
Now that you have food, and fire, you'll need a place to sleep. This would preferably be indoors. If you live in a city, this should not be a problem. We can discuss shelter later, as I believe most of us live in urban areas.
But this puts us at an interesting place. Urban situations will invariably be much more dangerous than other places, due to the proximity of the above mentioned propensity for people to steal and kill for the sake of themselves and their families.
This is why you have to be very careful about what your plans are. If you plan to stay in said urban center, be prepared to deal with those problems. If you plan to leave, make your plans now and be ready to go about that plan. Have your ducks in a row. Figure out where you want to go, what you need to get there and be willing to do it.
Survival of the fittest does'nt always mean the strongest. It means those who are prepared to survive will. Like the boy scouts say....
Heard the Yale bubble guy talking about the housing bubble. He says it makes no sense to live in places where the cost of housing is (price of house) is on average too many multiples of average yearly earnings. San Francisco was given as example-- ave cost of house is ave of 10 years earnings. He said people just aren't going to want to pay that much-- makes no sense, and will want to relocate to places where cost of housing /price of house is a lower multiple.
Also, the bigger cities and glam locales are being bought up by the international money, and Americans driven out.
So where is housing reasonable that isn't horrilbe place (like Alabama where most of the people are going to hell-- they voted down an income tax to help the poor).
Maybe there are places that people could live in and get businesses started that aren't one step from hell like Alabama.
Oh near bodies of water, then you are probably talking prime real estate that is way over priced. Personally if I were able to I would consider Belize. I've got a friend who relocated is family from Quebec Canada to Corazal Belize, he of course had been alluding to all of this nuts like three years or more ago. Belize real estate is still inexpensive and it is primitve. I've been there. It's low key and relaxed. I'm gonna have to settle for the Altiplano in Mexico.
The goal of life is living in agreement with nature. Zeno,
I hate say it party people, and I'd love to be wrong, but I believe the financial meltdown is upon us. Dow, Naz, SP500 have all broken out of trading ranges to the downside. General Motors stock made an 18 year low on talk of bankruptcy. As GM goes so goes the nation.
If the Fed/Plunge Protection Team can't even prop up the stock market by printing dollars, and we have panic selling, kiss the housing market bubble g'bye.
I figured the cabal's next stunt in their terror/protection racket would come this Spring, anytime after tax day, and would coincide with the unavoidable economic meltdown. Given the market's behavior today, I'd bet on sooner not later... this weekend perhaps, generating a market crash Monday.
If you don't have a stock of food and water in your home, at least a week's worth, consider running to the store now. Not saying it's time to flee the cities yet but you never know what's going to happen and soon...
Maybe a desert commune type thing is'nt a bad idea. It's interesting watching everyone in here develop ideas based on their strengths, and areas of expertise.
I'm glad you know what all that stock market gibberish means, Tom. I sure as hell don't have a clue, other that knowing a falling Dow is a bad sign, even though it's been artificially inflated for a loooooong time. I move for you to be finance minister!
Moses should be prime minister, and POA should be secretary of state.
All kidding aside, I agree that you should all start stocking up on staples, canned goods, water, and all that. Mr. 12ga. might be something to look at as well. Seriously.
The next few months will be interesting even if nothing major happens. I think if something does happen, the guv'mint will do thier dangdest to hide it. But people walking away en masse from a car plant will kinda give it away.
Is ICQ still free? What about IRC? Even if the Israelis own it, if it's free, what does it matter? It's cheap commo amongst us in real time, which is a good thing at this point.
No offense Ropegun but To hell with government positions. Isn't it the government that helped bring this mess we're in right now. By the way how much does a ham radio cost? I think that might be worth buying
The goal of life is living in agreement with nature. Zeno,
I'm very shaken by GM's situation. This came out about the time they had generated the Terry Schiavo hysteria, and I spoke to people about it on the tail end of my tour through some red states. No one was speaking highly of Bush-- just the opposite. Maybe some of the good 'ole boys in some of the scarier mountainous areas think highly of Bush, but they didn't say anything-- just glowered in a threatening and unfriendly manner. Driving While Black a definite problem in the particular area I am thinking of.