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Post by calabi-yau on Jul 20, 2004 17:12:12 GMT -5
NaderNadir was not kicked out, he/she left in a tizzy because he couldn't handle anyone questionning Kerry and his policies anymore.
Now that TSC has followed his lead, it looks he has found his comfort niche once more.
His reasoning about Nader and Moore sounds like him too.
I do wonder who ABB'rs will blame when war is still raging, the draft is reinstituted and the economy is not picking up. TSC may one day become the exact copy of FreeRepublic, where Bush is praised no matter what, except that their hero will be Kerry.
We will all know soon enough won't we !
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Post by calabi-yau on Jul 21, 2004 20:43:06 GMT -5
I was banned from SC yesterday and today it was my friend ChimpChips who got booted. Two days, two outsiders. Two voices down. I take the liberty of speaking in CC's name, I know he agrees, we think Americans are running scared. Too much is at stake and nothing is certain. Tension levels will rise in the coming months and with America being on such a short fuse, who knows what can happen. Running Scared
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Post by RPankn on Jul 22, 2004 17:27:37 GMT -5
I was banned from SC yesterday and today it was my friend ChimpChips who got booted. Two days, two outsiders. Two voices down. I take the liberty of speaking in CC's name, I know he agrees, we think Americans are running scared. Too much is at stake and nothing is certain. Tension levels will rise in the coming months and with America being on such a short fuse, who knows what can happen. Running ScaredAre you freakin' kidding me? I've been lurking at SC the past couple of nights and I saw nothing in your or CC's posts that could be construed as the 3 cardinal sins of SC: conspiracy theories, an impartial view of the I/P conflict and criticism of Kerry. And then they wonder why donations are off! Although, I still see the usual suspects pushing a drive toward appealing to the mushy "undecided" 10% of soccer moms, "NASCAR dads" and "security moms" (just a euphamism for middle class bigots, in my opinion). I know one of the usual suspects, Lava, lives near me and unfotunately, he is typical of a Florida Democrat: no spine whatsoever and proud to lead the country into overt fascism by sticking to the failed DLC strategy of appealing to that mushy middle. I'm probably just being paranoid, but I swear that some of the SC party whips have been posting at DU asking questions like "what can John Kerry do to improve American security?", which at first seem innocuous; however, the way they attempt to steer the discussion is quite revealing in that they reveal they approve of conscription and preventative war. Even more, they faulted the Left for its conspiracy theories. When I confronted this poster about the Right having it's own conspiracy theories -- most of which are just bizarre -- and making no apologies for them, this poster tried playing it off as CTs are "unproductive" and never offer any solutions. Well, duh! But basically, I told him or her to mind their own business and if they don't like a discussion, don't read the freakin' thread. I think the other posters ended up chasing this person off the board, but seriously the party whips need to find better things to do with their time. I bet if you went back under a different name and said things like "Kerry is wonderful and can do no wrong", "Sharon is a wise and great leader", "Likud accurately represents the views of Israel and world Jewry", "the NIST report on Sept. 11th is indisputable" and "all Muslims are wild-eyed, religious fanatics ready to kill themselves and others to further an agenda", you'd be welcomed with opened arms.
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Post by Chicanery on Jul 30, 2004 20:56:03 GMT -5
I was banned from SC yesterday and today it was my friend ChimpChips who got booted. Two days, two outsiders. Two voices down. I take the liberty of speaking in CC's name, I know he agrees, we think Americans are running scared. Too much is at stake and nothing is certain. Tension levels will rise in the coming months and with America being on such a short fuse, who knows what can happen. Running ScaredChimpChips got banned? I always enjoyed his quirky posts. Oh well, I guess it wasn't too unexpected. I'd probably get banned if I tried going back there and posting again. I've given up on even lurking there. Too many of the folks there are sheep. ABBaaaaahh!
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Post by calabi-yau on Jul 31, 2004 15:59:48 GMT -5
ChimpChips got banned? I always enjoyed his quirky posts. Oh well, I guess it wasn't too unexpected. I'd probably get banned if I tried going back there and posting again. I've given up on even lurking there. Too many of the folks there are sheep. ABBaaaaahh! Finally, CC was not banned but given a "time-out" for over a week. Makes sense. SC without ChimpChips would not be the same. I haven't bothered lurking there either. After one year, it was long enough to know who and how members respond and react to current issues. Should Kerry win the next election, I may go back there sometimes in 2005, if only to see what they have ended becoming after going through a hate-Bush phase, the ABB bull-merde rhetoric and being Kerry's cheerleaders. That should be interesting...or maybe not. Time will tell.
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Post by POA on Aug 1, 2004 16:46:39 GMT -5
Finally, CC was not banned but given a "time-out" for over a week. Makes sense. SC without ChimpChips would not be the same. I haven't bothered lurking there either. After one year, it was long enough to know who and how members respond and react to current issues. Should Kerry win the next election, I may go back there sometimes in 2005, if only to see what they have ended becoming after going through a hate-Bush phase, the ABB bull-merde rhetoric and being Kerry's cheerleaders. That should be interesting...or maybe not. Time will tell. I wish I could say that I was surprised by this behavior on their part. However, I'm not, because it is, in microcosm, a further indication of the greater, and more destructive, pattern to which SC belongs. Rather than deal with embarassing truths, they would rather quash them. Rather than improve themselves, they would rather eliminate anyone who tells them where they are flawed. I wouldn't blame ChimpChips for never going back to that board, quite frankly. So, ChimpChips, if you read us, I'd like to say the following: You're welcome here. Those of us who are Americans on this board aren't threatened when you tell us about our failings.
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Post by Lani on Aug 7, 2004 6:24:12 GMT -5
Hi, I'm another refugee from SC .. I'm a little bit 'gun shy' but decided to try this place ... I made the decision to leave SC in late January. Apparently I had broken an unwritten law there. I'd obeyed all the posted rules about headlines being the same as the original news item, included a link to the original, etc, only to have the thread locked. My 'crime' was posting a news item that was one of the early reports of abuse and torture of Iraqi citizens, by US and UK military personal, before the news broke in the USA. I was attacked for slandering, our heroic troups. I may have even been accused of being a troll but I didn't save the message.. After Spudboy reposted the article a day or two later and pointed out that I had broken none of the rules at the site, his thread on the subject disappeared completely. After thanking Spudboy, I chose to stay away from the site. My husband still looks around there and posts occasionally. That's where he found a link to this site and bookmarked it for me. I'm hoping that there is room for another pro-peace person here. I prefer places where verbal violence and the cyber version of Free Speech Zones are not the norm. ;D
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Post by calabi-yau on Aug 7, 2004 10:06:06 GMT -5
Hi, I'm another refugee from SC ... I'm hoping that there is room for another pro-peace person here. I prefer places where verbal violence and the cyber version of Free Speech Zones are not the norm. ;D Lani, Welcome to DD. SC is not renowned for its anti-war stand it's true. Imperialist aggression is not one of the favored subjects there either among other things. Pro-peace posts will certainly have its readers here at DD. There was a surge of guests yesterday and found out where it came from. (mars, if you read this, you are most welcomed to post your article finds here and we will try to keep up with you
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Post by POA on Aug 8, 2004 16:38:12 GMT -5
Hi, I'm another refugee from SC .. I'm a little bit 'gun shy' but decided to try this place ... I made the decision to leave SC in late January. Apparently I had broken an unwritten law there. I'd obeyed all the posted rules about headlines being the same as the original news item, included a link to the original, etc, only to have the thread locked. My 'crime' was posting a news item that was one of the early reports of abuse and torture of Iraqi citizens, by US and UK military personal, before the news broke in the USA. I was attacked for slandering, our heroic troups. I may have even been accused of being a troll but I didn't save the message.. After Spudboy reposted the article a day or two later and pointed out that I had broken none of the rules at the site, his thread on the subject disappeared completely. After thanking Spudboy, I chose to stay away from the site. My husband still looks around there and posts occasionally. That's where he found a link to this site and bookmarked it for me. I'm hoping that there is room for another pro-peace person here. I prefer places where verbal violence and the cyber version of Free Speech Zones are not the norm. ;D There's definitely room here. I appreciate what you've posted so far, and I hope that you enjoy your stay on the board. POA
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Post by maria2003 on Aug 8, 2004 20:05:32 GMT -5
Hi TomBldr!
I found this site through a link on TSC site.
Remember when I threw a fit that all the "Conspiracy Theory" posts on TSC were either deleted or confined to one thread?
I'm glad to find this site and you, TomBldr.
I became suspicious of TSC when the "Conspiracy Theorists" were demonized.
They definately sensor the posters of the truth.
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Post by tombldr on Aug 8, 2004 21:51:33 GMT -5
Hi TomBldr! I found this site through a link on TSC site. Hi back, Marie! I was banned from TSC a couple months ago, and the names/personalities of the characters there are fading fast, unless they were really notorious for some reason or I corresponded personally with them. I'm surprised to hear that this site was posted publicly at TSC.. as it was chimpmailed to me by a member here when I got increasingly noisy about the censorship there. I never did make good on my threat to write an essay about how TSC is whipped, and chimpmail it to hundreds or thousands (through a new handle and perhaps using a proxy IP server) urging that they rethink monetary support if they provide it. It's a depressing thought wallowing in it while I write the essay and then spend hours chimpmailing it. But so many there are naive to how the dialog is controlled, as I was in the first several months, and I even signed up for $5 monthly contribution for a couple months around new years. Now I see that they've got their "$5/month is all we ask" banner up again, despite their new layout chock full of income producing banner ads. My appeal to chimpsters would say something like, "you might as well just give your $ straight to the ADL". There's good people there, who just don't know how whipped the dialog is. And have you ever seen one of smirky's chosen frontpage articles which was critical of Israel in whole or in part? Rather conspicuous in its absense, no? But it's that "out of sight, out of mind" strategy in the chosen front page stories and the vigillent messageboard censorship which keeps chimpsters in the dark as to how whipped the community is. But as my recent post implies, my focus lately has been on the NWO. And I'm increasingly seeing the "left/right paradigm" as irrelevant in scale relative to the imminent economic meltdown as part of the greater NWO agenda-- left/right meanwhile is just a mechanism to keep us divided an conquered while the NWO does its work. We're disaffected Dems here because the national level Dem party has illustrated that they're puppets of the NWO. John "I'll fight the war on terra hoax BETTER than dubya" Kerry?? Pfffft.
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Post by RPankn on Aug 9, 2004 1:30:00 GMT -5
I hope you do end up writing an article about what the SC really is. This weekend when I was on DU, I saw an article from The Nation which gave BoloBoffin/Board Nanny's real name as Joseph Nobles. He was cited because he did some research on Bush's TANG record. Now only if he would do the same with respect to Sept. 11th instead of trying to push the official government story.
Anyway, I'm not trying to 'out' people here and not knocking GLBT people -- I happen to believe they should have the same rights as everyone else, including marriage -- but when I Googled his name, I found pieces on Christianity, whether the Bible condems homosexuality and discussions of gay marriage. This left me wondering if Mr. Nobles is a gay 'Christian Zionist', which seems to be a contradiction unto itself as those of the 'Christian Zionist' mindset (there are a ton of them here in Central Florida) are not exactly exactly accepting of GLBTs. But it does explain why Mr. Nobles is so adamant to uphold the government version of Sept. 11th because he's waiting for Armogeddon. I still don't understand the military fetishism, though, that goes on with that whole clique.
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Post by calabi-yau on Aug 9, 2004 11:37:21 GMT -5
This left me wondering if Mr. Nobles is a gay 'Christian Zionist', which seems to be a contradiction unto itself as those of the 'Christian Zionist' mindset (there are a ton of them here in Central Florida) are not exactly exactly accepting of GLBTs. But it does explain why Mr. Nobles is so adamant to uphold the government version of Sept. 11th because he's waiting for Armogeddon. I still don't understand the military fetishism, though, that goes on with that whole clique. Mr Nobles to be a walking contradiction of himself and of his beliefs is quite funny actually. It would explain the locking up of any threads pertaining to Israel and America's imperialist 'end-of-the-world' ambitions. Anyone who can think for themselves and who are not blinded by their own importance will soon realize how the internet is quickly being brought under thought control like all other traditional US medias have already done so. Unfortunately, exception made for very few remaining voices, chimpsters are themselves becoming more and more like freepers. The only difference is that chimpsters express themselves better than freepers. (doesn't it remind you of their new savior ? :-)) In my book, apologists are as bad as blind followers. SC's posts and threads have been controlled, deleted, blocked and diverted ever since the Democratic campaign started and it became evident to me last January how this was so. This was my signal to start looking for an internet alternative. What I couldn't figure out was why this was happening. I'm starting to understand it better now.
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Post by Willelmus on Aug 29, 2004 13:06:04 GMT -5
It looks like I am only one of many who have grown disgusted with SmirkingChimp. It is gratifying to see posting here some of the names I have missed of late on SC.
The groupthink at SC is pretty sickening, and disturbing, stuff. I agree with Moses, that they have no respect for voters or democracy there; SC is a perfect example of authoritarian thinking that professes to be on the left. The abuse heaped upon posters who do not toe the Party line is disgusting. The board has morphed into the Kerry KultistsTM. All dissent, all independent thought, is heretical. If you do not support Kerry with body, mind, and soul, you must be supporting the Evil One, Nader; you shall thereby be consigned to eternal flaming by the Chosen Ones of SmirkyChimpster, the self-appointed High Priest of Kerry.
I have to agree with Calabi-Yau, that after the election (assuming Kerry wins, and is permitted to take power), there are going to be a lot of disappointed ABB'ers. And they'll probably blame it on "Naderites" yet again. Which is what they'll do if Kerry loses, too.
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Post by calabi-yau on Sept 12, 2004 11:11:04 GMT -5
I have to agree with Calabi-Yau, that after the election (assuming Kerry wins, and is permitted to take power), there are going to be a lot of disappointed ABB'ers. And they'll probably blame it on "Naderites" yet again. Which is what they'll do if Kerry loses, too. I've been reading some posts at SC these past few days and from what I read there and everywhere else, I don't know how in the world anyone could blame Nader for Kerry's bad showing so far in the campaign or if he loses the election. If such is the case and if ABB'rs cannot or are unable to realize that their basis for supporting Kerry, without demanding clear positions on THEIR agenda, was flawed from the start and will actually have helped Bush's case for re(s)election. If this is what goes down in November, they can cry on each other's shoulder for all I care and let them weep on their own political short-sightedness. Then the world will know America for what it is and that Bush was never an accident nor an aberration but a reflection of what America truly stands for today. I don't think they'll put the blame on Nader but they will question themselves on the sanity of the American electorate as a whole.
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