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Post by Ropegun on Mar 31, 2005 12:03:22 GMT -5
I don't quite understand the reason for continuing to speak to the fact that we are at a crossroads. We all have a pretty clear understanding of this already.
I think we would be better served by seeking ways to counter this trend in amerikan politics and policy. To put it another way, we know what is, but what do we do about it?
Are we afraid of the police? Of the FBI and Carnivore and ECHELON? Prison? What do we fear from these people?
We should be exploring ways of exposing the lies we all know exist to the point where we have evidence enough to convict these people. We should be looking at ways of getting the message that the public is not being served to the unserved public. The negatives of our opponents should be positives for our cause. The masses are not upset because they don't know whats being done to them. We should be educating them, by all possible means.
If that causes me to be imprisoned, then so be it.
Peace.
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Post by camaxtle on Mar 31, 2005 13:14:11 GMT -5
I'm not afraid. I agree with you Ropegun. Inaction will only bring the end that much faster. We can't stand by and just complain and constantly talk about how it's all coming to pass just like we thought. With action others who were afraid to act, will be inspired and join in. If we want change then we must act. Failure to evolve and adapt only brings extinction.
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Post by tombldr on Mar 31, 2005 14:08:17 GMT -5
I'm a fan of Deception Dollars. They included a couple in the package last September when I ordered Crossing the Rubicon from FTW. They're impressive- the paper is high quality and the coloring and overall appearance is superb. They look exactly like our federal reserve funny money notes except when you take a closer look. Left laying around, they'll definately be spotted and picked up and closely inspected by the finder. And despite that the finder will be a little disappointed by not getting the "free windfall" they first thought, they'll likely keep the specimen as a novelty. And with DDs being loaded up with websites pointing to where they can learn the truth of what's going on, there's a good chance they'll do so. You can purchase them by the hundreds or thousands. You can hand them to people directly. Put them in tip jars. Put them on cars, under apartment doors. Toss them around the university classrooms, student unions, under professor's office doors. Accidentally leave them where they'll be found: carwash, store, starbucks, library (near the internet terminals?), slip them into magazines. In newspaper racks, slip a DD into each NY Times/WSJ//free penny-saver/free weekly rag in the rack. These ways you reach the "reading classes". With the corporate media gone, the internets is the last source of real news and information in Murka, & this guerilla communication with your flesh and blood neighbors is what we must do to get the truth out. DDs make the physical leap between us and the sheeple we'll never meet and who we'd otherwise not have the time to enlighten personally. DDs point them to comprehensive and engaging sites where they can wake up, and once awake, they can email their favorite links to their sphere of influence... propagating the truth virally. The average sheeple waking up to the vast systematic deception we subjects of the Empire are marinated in is critical to whether we take the rest of their agenda laying down ignorantly, or whether we resist such that a different course is forced. You can order them online, but if you'd rather not risk getting flagged on some TIA database based on your internet/credit card transaction with 911-Truth Alliance, as DD operator Carol Brouillet instructs, you can order via US Mail, and even use a 7-11 money order to pay. "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State."-- Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels "They are afraid of the old for their memory, They are afraid of the young for their innocence They afraid of the graves of their victims in faraway places They are afraid of history. They are afraid of freedom. They are afraid of truth. They are afraid of democracy. So why the hell are we afraid of them? ... For they are afraid of us." -- Czech Group Plastic People of the Universe, Prague 1968 Separately, welcome Disaffected Dem's newest member "lordnose". He's a nice American fellow I met in Guadalajara, as he was there checking out relocation possibilities just like me. But he's back in the US (like me), also trying to sort out how to manage the future, as someone's who's wide awake as to what's going on.
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Post by Ropegun on Mar 31, 2005 16:16:38 GMT -5
I've seen those deception dollars before.They hand them out at protests and what not around here. They're pretty cool.
On an unrelated note, Rigster at SC says he personally witnessed Ohio election results being cooked. I wonder why this has'nt been picked up on by anyone. One would think that this would be fairly interesting to folks like Air America or Democracy Now or whatever.
Is there anyone here that he might be inclined to talk to about this? He does'nt like me due to the fact that I've pretty much called him an idiot, but maybe someone else here?
Just a thought.
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Post by Moses on Mar 31, 2005 21:58:57 GMT -5
Is Rigster the one who was so hooked into the Party Machine? No that was sofa something. Is Rigster the conservative from New Jersey?
Anyway, I have personally seen Ohio pols rig the vote (involving National Chair of Dem Party, too) and sued them personally for it.
There is no question that the vote was rigged, and every which way. Blackwell did it, and of course was working w/ the top crooks.
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Post by gl2 on Apr 9, 2005 13:21:04 GMT -5
Good thread. The solution, here, isn't national; it's international. We need to take private $ out of national elections, making it truly a vote on the common considerations. We need to elect a president who will appoint a Court that dumps the corporation as individual "rulings," keeping government by the people, not by anonymous, predatory mobs, of sorts. And, we need to join the World Court.
The US has outgrown it's sense of itself. Now, it needs to be honest about its corruption. We will either lurch slowly toward an environmental disaster (we're in one now), or will fight to expose the goons in the Bush, Du Pont, Rothschild-Rockefeller mob. Big $=big dope and big cult garbage. The salvageable parts of the US? Basic judicial principle, balance of "powers" (in a more general sense), a nascent idea of democracy (which doesn't remotely exist in the US now), basic rights, and a minimal sense that the people must evolve to survive. Until we water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants, in one way or another, we're all just little children standing around with gameboys and mimicking the actions of actual revolutionaries.
Sure, the revolutions of the 18th century are inadequate models, now. We need to commit to larger international movements. Get the anti-WTO movement up to speed, dump Bush (in jail, preferably), work toward strengthening the BRIC alternatives to US cult low-culture, and expose as much as you can. Think about going to the streets, challenge serf-like obedience to the regime wherever you see it. Live with the revolutionary flame in your heart and mind. Speak LOUDER, help organize movements that will fight when such is necessary, look for major global opportunities for a more decent evolution.
Think critically and remember: there is a new, seemingly weird physics that we're just discovering. It is premised on non-locality, commonalities and higher order extra-dimensioning. It can be liberating and will open the door to a more cosmic ability to see through all criminal regimes in order to change them.
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Post by Moses on Apr 9, 2005 14:54:49 GMT -5
Very inspiring!
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Post by POA on Apr 12, 2005 22:28:43 GMT -5
In my mind, yes, it's just as bad. The trouble is that we can't even get people out in large numbers to speak out against an illegal war we're waging, let alone march against the powers that be with the intent of changing how we're represented. I'm thinking maybe things have'nt gotten to the point where people are really feeling the effects of what this administration has done to them yet. If the majority had to change their lifestyles to get by due to policy made in D.C., then you'd see larger numbers of people willing to make the decisions necessary to change things. We also have to deal with a propoganda machine that has us looking like tin foil hat idiots. I wish there was a way we could all talk in real time, as opposed to discussion boards like this. The ideas would flow easier and faster. Anyway, just some thoughts. Peace. How many of us know how to use IRC? I haven't been much around at all lately...I've had a lot to think about, but I'll be around a bit more for a couple of weeks I think, and I can be reached that way for some faster conversation than via messages.
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Post by Ropegun on Apr 12, 2005 23:11:24 GMT -5
I think we talked about IRC in the past, but I could'nt get it to function for some reason. I do like this idea, however.
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Post by POA on Apr 12, 2005 23:19:02 GMT -5
I think we talked about IRC in the past, but I could'nt get it to function for some reason. I do like this idea, however. You mentioned ICQ before. Is ICQ hard to get to work (do I have to pay for a client, or is it free, and how could I get in touch with you that way)?
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Post by Ropegun on Apr 12, 2005 23:32:21 GMT -5
I'm not really the one to ask about that, as I've tried it but without success.
Maybe someone else here knows?
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Post by nana on Apr 13, 2005 2:50:10 GMT -5
I have both ICQ and an IRC client (my preference is mIRC which was free when I got it as was ICQ) here are the URLs. I prefer IRC chat to ICQ since it seems to be more stable but ICQ has messaging advantages. Either would work for a chat. www.mirc.com/www.icq.com/I believe that now the IRC network can be accessed with a browser using some kind of java but I've never found it to be as stable as using an IRC client like mIRC.
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Post by RPankn on Apr 13, 2005 4:16:52 GMT -5
Not trying to tell anyone which instant message clients they should or shouldn't use, but I know some people here are on e-mail lists for the boycott Israel campaign, and may even be participating in that. ICQ was created by an Israeli company, Mirabilis, which was bought out by America On Line in 1998. There are rumours that the company is connected to the Mossad, but Mirabilis denies this (of course), and I've never seen anything to substantiate them. But given what happened to a couple users of Odigo -- another chat client made by an Israeli company -- on Sept. 11th, who knows. However, if you do decide to use ICQ, I suggest using the 'lite' version, which has the same chat functions as the full version, the only difference is all the bells and whistles have been stripped out. The full version is a resource hog as it takes up an obscene amount of hard disk space and RAM for a simple instant message program. If you're on an older system, the full version of ICQ can literally can grind it to a halt or crash the system. Anyway, some info I found on ICQ while Googling: RESEARCH FINDINGS : AOL allocates 30% of its investment portfolio in Israel. [1][4] The buy up of Israeli company Mirabilis, creators of ICQ (internet chat program), for $287m in 1998 forms part of AOLs investment in Israel.[5] In 1998, Mr. Ted Leonsis, CEO of AOL studios (a business unit of AOL) received the Jubilee Award by the Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu. This is the highest tribute ever awarded by the "State of Israel" in recognition of those individuals and organizations, that through their investments and trade relationships, have done the most to strengthen the Israeli economy. [3] ADDITIONAL INFO & REFs : [1] www.nilemedia.com/Home/agenda.html"... We would also challenge them to consider that AOL allocates 30% of its investment portfolio in Israel. Does that effect how CNN reports on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict? At NileMedia, we think it does. The "spin" wizards at CNN, TIME and AOL are not in the journalism business. ..." [2] Jerusalem Post, June 27, 200 www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/06/27/News/News.29183.html"...Three US companies that invest in Israel - AOL Time Warner, IBM, and Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation - were lauded at the America-Israel Friendship League's Partners for Democracy Awards dinner." [3] Friends of Al-Aqsa www.aqsa.org.uk/flyers/boycott.html[source for Jubilee List - Islamic Human Rights Commision] [4] Embassy of Israel website: www.israelemb.org/economic/uscompanies.htmAmerica On Line (AOL) in Israel: Purchased 100% of Ubique Ltd. in Rehovot in 1993 for $14.5m. Purchased Mirabilis for $287m (5/98) [5] From ICQ website: www.icq.com/company/about.html : "A tiny Israeli company has taken the Internet by storm...ICQ is the hottest thing on the web" (David Einstein, San-Francisco Chronicle,Feb 1998) ICQ Inc., the successor of Mirabilis Ltd. was created when America Online acquired all Mirabilis' assets on June 1998. Mirabilis was founded in July 1996 when four young Israeli avid-computer users established a new Internet company. Yair Goldfinger (26,Chief Technology Officer), Arik Vardi (27,Chief Executive Officer), Sefi Vigiser (25,President), and Amnon Amir (24, currently studying), created the company in order to introduce a new way of communication over the Internet. ... www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-aol.html
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Post by Moses on Apr 13, 2005 6:14:17 GMT -5
Wow. That explains alot, perhaps, about AOL-Time Warner. Alot of very strange stuff has gone on w/ these two companies (now one company) around the Bush campaign and presidency. The merger itself was strange, and Barry Levine(?) the Pres of Time-Warner at the time, had close ties w/ Israel-- had a home there and was very involved there. The CFO?/CEO? of AOL-(Time/Warner-- it had been acquired during his tenure) was Chair of Bush's SS commission immediately after the election (plans were to do this SS thing back then) and people from the Bush Admin have been hired by Time Warner in the revolving door.
AOL' propagandizing for Bush was striking, as was CNN's propagandizing for the War in Iraq.
So of the three companies you mentioned above that are huge investors in Israel, two are huge US media monopolies, that noticably propagandized for the War in Iraq.
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Post by nana on Apr 14, 2005 2:10:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, I had no idea about ICQ's part in all this but for some reason I haven't turned on my ICQ for almost 3 years, I just checked to see which version I had and the 2002 version and I don't think I've ever used even used it. ICQ has been uninstalled. Thanks Regarding AOL aka AO hel L ... I had tried a free 3 month version of AOL about 2 years ago and within 3 weeks I had to run AOL's uninstall to get it off my hard drive. AOL acted like a virus or something equally nasty. It literally took over my computer. It would dial up on its own, day and night even when we were asleep, then it would download programs and files and who knows what else. I finally had to start turning off my computer so it wasn't dialing up on its own. I was never told what it was downloading nor did the program ever ask IF i wanted to download and install whatever AOL had decided it wanted to put on my hard drive. I emailed them to cancel the free three month trial before running the uninstall. It took another 3 more months, after the 3 free months had gone by, to get them to stop billing my credit card for services I had never used. The worst of it was, AOL's uninstall totally screwed up my computer. It deleted files in Windows that were needed to run my computer. I had to format C drive and reinstall Windows. Fortunately I had most of my other programs or at least the zipped original downloads backed up on D drive and vital ini files were also backed up so not too much was lost but it was a major pain to have to start over. One of the reasons I like Mozilla Firefox for my browser, it does NOT come with AOL or ICQ or any other unwelcome stuff already loaded.
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