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Post by camaxtle on Mar 24, 2005 11:24:30 GMT -5
What happened yesterday in Krgystan (did I spell that right?) and what happened before in the Ukraine, is what we need to do. We the people, the citizens should just march on Washington and physically remove this entire cabal from power.
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Post by Moses on Mar 24, 2005 12:11:25 GMT -5
What happened in the Ukraine was funded by CIA extension NED, Soros, and others. Note that these "movements" were publicized as authentic "people power" protests in an orchestrated fashion by our media (most obvious of these propaganda outlets was NPR), and yet the anti-war demonstrations here on Saturday got a news blackout.
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Post by karpomrx on Mar 24, 2005 20:38:54 GMT -5
The U.S. fascists have all but completed a take over of central Asia. Whether this will spark a war with Russia, or force western Europe to take sides seems to be the only real question now. The phoney liberation movements sponsored by the C.I.A. are mostly for consumption by the Fox News types, and are very transparent to the people on the ground being "liberated".
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Post by camaxtle on Mar 24, 2005 23:13:25 GMT -5
This goes back to the question What do we do? We know we are being conned, do we just sit around and take it? Do we just stand on the sidelines and watch our doom, proclaiming it all along. "Yep just like I knew it, it's all happening just like I thought" Isn't that just as bad?
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Post by Ropegun on Mar 25, 2005 11:34:20 GMT -5
In my mind, yes, it's just as bad.
The trouble is that we can't even get people out in large numbers to speak out against an illegal war we're waging, let alone march against the powers that be with the intent of changing how we're represented.
I'm thinking maybe things have'nt gotten to the point where people are really feeling the effects of what this administration has done to them yet. If the majority had to change their lifestyles to get by due to policy made in D.C., then you'd see larger numbers of people willing to make the decisions necessary to change things.
We also have to deal with a propoganda machine that has us looking like tin foil hat idiots.
I wish there was a way we could all talk in real time, as opposed to discussion boards like this. The ideas would flow easier and faster.
Anyway, just some thoughts.
Peace.
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Post by Moses on Mar 25, 2005 20:01:31 GMT -5
rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=219Raw Story: So how do citizens address this situation since the very means of addressing it via Congress seem to have been closed off? Ritter: Congress has ceased to function as a viable tool of government. What is needed is for leaders of honor to resign in protest. Raw Story: I have had this conversation some in Congress and have asked about their thoughts on shutting down Congress and cleaning house. Their counter is that they are afraid to “leave the crazies in control.”<br> Ritter: They are already in control. If the people want to heal this country, the people have to purge the failing of this country. Vote them out, it might take two or three cycles, but it will happen and it will take time.
Everyone who voted for the war in Iraq should be voted out of office because it violated the violated article six of the Constitution. Everyone who voted for the Patriot Act needs to go because they did not represent the people by voting on legislation they did not read. They have to go, regardless of party. They have through their actions decided who stays and who goes.Hope, and worries, for the futureRaw Story: You suggest Americans vote out all who voted for these measures. If New Yorkers voted out Hillary, who voted for both the Patriot Act and the war in Iraq, and who is also leading pack of the Democratic Party for the 2008 nomination, what then? Ritter: Hillary is the manifestation of all that ails the Democratic Party. She stands for nothing. She has been compromised by her voting record…how can she stand for anything worth supporting? And yet, she will be the Democratic nominee in 2008, thus guaranteeing another NeoCon/Republican victory. ‘Dump Hillary Now’ would be the smartest move Dean could make as the new Democratic National Committee Chair…. Like I said, it might take two or three cycles, but it will happen and it will take time. Raw Story: What about Dean? Ritter: Dean has to be part of the process of rebuilding and that will take time. Dean cannot run for President, because Dean cannot run as a Democrat–the party is not set up to sustain someone like him. He is one of the exceptions in a corrupt party. He is also not corrupted by his voting record. He is someone who represents something, he did not vote for the war in Iraq, for example. Raw Story: We talked about this current social crisis as a closed loop during the second installment. Have you ever seen a loop like this throughout the history of the US? What does this mean? Ritter: The American experiment is much too complex to be destroyed by the NeoCons. In the end, the NeoCons will lose. It may take ten to twelve more years, and the costs will be horrific, but America will survive. There will be one hell of a mess to clean up, though, after the fall of the NeoCons. Raw Story: Where do you see America, should things continue as is, in five years from now? Ritter: At war, bankrupt morally and fiscally, and in great pain….and only half-way through the nightmare. Ten to twelve years is what we will have to get through, but we will get through it.
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Post by camaxtle on Mar 25, 2005 20:19:29 GMT -5
Moses, thank you for posting this. It gives me hope. I hope that something like this will happen. Maybe Dean can put some pressure those who are not helping.
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Post by camaxtle on Mar 26, 2005 18:53:12 GMT -5
How do we get those we need to get out of office? We need accountability in the senate and congress. How do we do it? Who can you trust in the senate and congress? Can Dean help in any of this?
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Post by tombldr on Mar 26, 2005 20:30:03 GMT -5
How do we get those we need to get out of office? We need accountability in the senate and congress. How do we do it? Who can you trust in the senate and congress? Can Dean help in any of this? As long as we have non-transparent (read: fake) elections, we're no longer a democratic republic wherein us sheeple hold any electoral power. And as us disaffected dems know, the national Dem party was in cahoots in bringing this about, letting the voter verifiable paper ballot trail bills fester silently in comittee through 11/04. No shaking the bush, no screaming bloody murder from the mountaintops. They were complicit in letting our former republic swirl quietly down the drain, because that's what the NWO cabal wanted. A democratic republic, and a feudal empire, are not compatible. And a feudal empire is the NWO cabal's wish.
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Post by Moses on Mar 26, 2005 21:27:34 GMT -5
The sheeple also simply return incumbents to office-- everything based on name recognition and/or the ad hominem attacks orchestrated in the media. How to stop the war in Iraq: www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8379.htmThis is the video of a teach-in, and the representative of the Iraq Veterans Against the War is the best, and most concrete, and most determined to bring about accountability for what has been done to the victims of the war: the soldiers and the Iraqi people.
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Post by Moses on Mar 27, 2005 19:46:32 GMT -5
<br>Article published Mar 27, 2005 Liberal activists push for reform Three Shore leftists make their marks on the Net, public TV, at political gatherings
[note about this region: They were for the British during the Revolution and for the Confederacy during the Civil War, and lynchings took place as late as the 1930s. Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglas are from there. There are huge billboards for Bush, and there is a high gun ownership and also violence-- so the fact that these three are called "liberals" and "leftists"-- take those labels as an indicator of the region]
By James Fisher Daily Times Staff Writer
SALISBURY -- After John Kerry lost his bid for the presidency last November, Shelton Lankford was down in the dumps. Don Singleton and Joel Roache felt the same way.
Now, months later, the three are spearheading a liberal organization more active than any that existed on the Eastern Shore in the run up to the 2004 elections. They have leveraged an Internet presence to secure a weekly public affairs show on local television, held a meeting of the politically like-minded at Lankford's home and targeted letter-writing campaigns to elected officials.
In an interview this month, national issues -- the war in Iraq, Social Security and health care -- held their attention, mostly to the exclusion of more humdrum local politics. But one state controversy has their full attention: a push to make Maryland's electronic ballots produce paper receipts for each voter. Until that goal is accomplished, the three said there's little point in taking sides on smaller-scale issues.
"If you control the machines, you control the vote," Singleton said.
The left-leaning group -- its mission statement excludes no political parties, but all three say President Bush was the wrong choice for president -- is an outpost in Maryland's traditionally conservative Eastern Shore. Counties here held majorities for Bush in November, although statewide, Kerry was favored.
Lankford, a retired Marine pilot and computer programmer, said the region's political center is inching away from its traditional conservatism but acknowledges there are plenty of people left to persuade.
"We don't find ourselves preaching to the choir," Lankford said.
Post-election push
Lankford, Roache and Singleton belong to the Salisbury chapter of Democracy for America, a group that is mostly organized through an Internet site, Meetup.com, that facilitates local-level meetings of people interested in any subject. There are Salisbury Meetup groups for Great Danes, Lyme disease, pagan home schooling, stay-at-home moms and scrapbooking.
Many can account for their members on one hand, but Democracy for America, or DFA, boasts the longest membership rolls, with 71 people. Interest in it has actually risen since the November election, which was not an inspirational moment for any of its members.
"My frustration following the election was pretty high," Lankford said. "My wife said stop whining and get active."
Singleton, a retired Salisbury University media professor, was also at loose ends in 2004. "I was the coordinator for the (Howard) Dean group," he said. "After that campaign cratered, DFA moved on to other things."
Roache, a retired English professor, has lived on the Eastern Shore since 1972. He is the host for the group's weekly interview program on public access channel 14, or PAC 14, with new episodes airing Thursdays at 7 p.m. He said he's frustrated that issues he cares about -- social justice, the plight of the poor, the ill effects of Social Security privatization -- are ignored by much of the wider world.
"The right-wing extremists control the image of everything," Roache said. "None of this gets sufficient coverage in the corporate media."
They conducted TV interviews with Wicomico County Council President Anthony Sarbanes and TrueVoteMD founder Linda Schade, among others.
The group has also encouraged its members to write letters on national and state issues to elected officials when legislation they are concerned about nears a vote. Coordinating with a larger liberal group, Moveon.org, they made calls to U.S. senators one day in mid-March, encouraging opposition to support a change in Senate rules that would prevent filibusters.
The television show, though, is the most concrete evidence of the group's new urgency.
"It kind of fell together," said Singleton, who helps to produce the program. "Joel gets in there and channels Edward R. Murrow."
For Schade, whose group champions the paper-receipts-for-electronic-ballots cause, an appearance on the show was her first foray to the Eastern Shore to drum up support. Local supporters of the statewide issue are important, she said.
"We have a couple of people in every county in Maryland," Schade said in an interview. "It's a miracle, because some counties don't have a lot of people."
National focus
Lankford, Roache and Singleton, during a 50-minute interview, returned often to the national political developments that are most disturbing to them. Singleton, who served in the U.S. Army for three years before his career in academics, says support for armed forces shouldn't be linked to approval of the war in Iraq, which he opposes and says is a boondoggle for private companies like Halliburton.
"We've stumbled into another Vietnam. You just watch," Singleton said.
Roache said the Bush administration's fiscal policies concern him and should also worry his neighbors.
"The Eastern Shore has a great many older people who must be beginning to wonder just how much debt the Bush administration is going to saddle our children and grandchildren with," Roache said.
They admit that DFA's portfolio of positions on local issues is much thinner.
"The local issues aren't as obvious to us," Lankford said. "They don't get dug out." While news of U.S. Sen. Paul Sarbanes' decision not to seek another term in 2006 threw many political minds in Maryland into high gear recently, they say they haven't given much thought to who should be elected to that seat.
"We're not thinking about candidates. We're thinking about being able to vote," Roache said.
The sharp focus on verifiable election equipment isn't one on which liberals and progressives in Maryland all agree. Sean Dobson, executive director of Silver Spring-based Progressive Maryland, said his organization is more focused on raising the minimum wage and passing a bill that would publicly finance campaigning costs for candidates, replacing corporate and individual donations.
"I don't think the evidence is 100 percent clear that these machines are massively malfunctioning," Dobson said. "I'm not convinced they have evidence of that."
DFA is supporting state legislation, House Bill 107 and Senate Bill 109, that would require ballot machines to produce paper receipts for every individual vote. At present, the machines create printed tickets with vote tallies only after polls close.
Roache said that while the voting issue was important, it wasn't the only reason for the group's existence.
"If this issue were to go away, we won't," Roache said.
• Reach James Fisher at 410-213-9442, Ext. 19, or jfisher@salisbury.gannett.com.
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Post by Moses on Mar 28, 2005 11:31:10 GMT -5
Help Chart the Course for a New Movement
[/color] Action Required by Tomorrow, March 29th, at 12 noon[/color][/b] I know we've contacted you a lot in the past week, but something special is going on concerning the Iraq war, and we were pretty sure you'd want to know about it. This Wednesday, people all across the country will meet online -- we're expecting hundreds of thousands. Working together, we'll create a written Declaration for peace and justice and against the war (a smart new online collaboration tool will make it possible for such a huge group to work together easily). The goal is to articulate the progressive vision we all share for America, and to launch a determined, on-going nationwide effort to end the war and realize that positive dream.Here's the link to sign up for the meeting: www.PeaceNotPoverty.orgThat declaration of values -- YOUR values -- will be read in a televised "Beyond Iraq" interfaith service from historic Riverside Church in New York on April 4th, the anniversary of Martin Luther King, Jr.'s 1967 speech against the Vietnam War. Then our friends from the Peace Not Poverty campaign will take the message on the road with a nationwide bus tour to connect with people of conscience across America. It's a one-of-a-kind event, and we're grateful to our friends at FaithfulAmerica for helping make it happen. No matter what your faith or belief system, if you feel our nation's moral mission is to promote peace, justice and equality, this is your movement. Help write the Declaration of it's principles. In order to participate YOU MUST SIGN UP BY TUES, MARCH 29 AT NOON at www.PeaceNotPoverty.org Glad to be in this with you, Ben Cohen, President, TrueMajority Participation is open to anyone with an internet-accessible computer, anywhere in the world. We'll use a unique web-based technology that enables groups to work collaboratively and find consensus online in a few hours. We're proud to be supporting the work of this unique event's many co-sponsors: Clergy and Laity Concerned about Iraq, Clergy and Laity Network, Faith Voices for the Common Good, Drive Democracy, Fellowship of Reconciliation, United for Peace and Justice, National Council of Churches, FaithfulAmerica, Fellowship of Reconciliation, Gold Star Families for Peace, Pax Christi USA, The Tikkun Community, Unitarian Universalist Association, The Shalom Center, World Sikh Council-America Region, Progressive Christians Uniting, Protestants for the Common Good, Baptist Peace Fellowship of North America, Christians for Justice Action (United Church of Christ), Disciples Justice Action Network, Withersthingy Society, Church of the Brethren, Peace Witness Office, Rainbow PUSH Coalition Clergy and Laity Network, The WHALE Center, The Bruderhof, Call to Action, The Witness Magazine, One Life Institute, Peace and Security Project of Iowa, Episcopal Divinity School <br>
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Post by Moses on Mar 28, 2005 20:38:53 GMT -5
The Board of Directors of
Imagine-Life
would be honored by your presence at a celebration of its first anniversary
Imagining Peace, Inspiring Hope[/size] a benefit gala to support important education efforts, which bring to the forefront human rights violations and uncover biases in media reporting. <br> These efforts include thousands of television spots on major cable networks (Fox News, CNN, MTV, etc..) depicting Palestinian life under occupation. Special Guests:
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Senior Member of the White House Press Corps
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Post by Ropegun on Mar 28, 2005 22:18:00 GMT -5
Not meaning to sound like I'm bashing this thing, brother Moses, but what effect is this thing supposed to have?
The reason I ask is that this administration knows our values and how we feel about this war, yet they do not care one iota.
How is this going to make a difference?
Just a question.
Peace.
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Post by karpomrx on Mar 29, 2005 0:30:44 GMT -5
Under the law, silence is agreement. Sometimes one must act, it may be futile, it may not serve any purpose beyond self-affirmation,indeed, no one may even notice. But you, yourself, you know. Orwell wrote that all the world could cling to a lie, yet if one man still held to the truth, that man was not mad. That may be all any of us can have sometimes.
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