Universal's Flight 93 'Hijacked' By Truth Seekers

[RPankn]

Forum moderators deleting entire threads in real time

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | April 29 2006

Universal Studio's Flight 93 movie online forum has been completely infiltrated by people opposing the official government 9/11 fable and its moderators are having to delete entire threads in real time deeming them, "inappropriate."

A cursory visit to the forum confirms that the entire website has been turned into a battle ground for countering the government apologist propaganda being regurgitated in an impetuous lunge to give credibility to a tale about as reality-based as Humpty Dumpty.

The establishment press is spewing forth hit pieces as fast as its antiquated 'one column per columnist per week' ratio can muster. USA Today were the latest to use this shockudrama screen drivel as a pugel to try and bash a truth movement spreading like wildfire across the four corners of the cyber globe.

I have a policy of issuing rebuttals to the most distasteful hit pieces but now I'm content to sit back and just lap up the hilarity of their desperation as every attack piece is met with thousands of angry and informed responses.

Neo-Con conspiracy theorist Betsy Hart reckoned all the evidence could be explained away by saying that people who question the official story "fear Islamic terrorism." Her forum was overrun with cyber patriots putting her in her place and she threatened to shut it down.

Befuddled liberal turned Bunutse Cinnamon Stillwell gave us all a chuckle when she claimed that, "the whole country witnessed the horrific sight of planes flying into....the Pentagon."

When this website pointed out that no such video exists of a plane flying into the Pentagon, Stillwell was left reeling and red-faced after the San Francisco Chronicle were forced to issue a retraction to the fairy tale story.

Despite multiple large websites encouraging people to help Stillwell with her homework by e mailing her, she backed down from the subject and her next article was about immigration.

The Universal website carries a message at the top of the page stating, "We apologize for the removal of the message boards - due to technical difficulties all previous threads have been inadvertantly deleted. We invite you to renew your dialog and discuss your thoughts on the film."

Yeah and the moon is made of cheese.

They deleted a whole backlog of threads because they uniformly exposed the fact that Greengrass' shill excuse for a movie is just another manufactured movie script, much like the government's version of 9/11.

"Inappropriate posts which include profanity, defamations, or threats will be removed. Posts that are not deemed appropriate for a particular thread may be moved by the moderator, says the site." By 'defamation' they mean defamation of the official yarn that would put Hans Christian Anderson to shame and truly is an insult to the victims of 9/11.

On the flip side websites like Counterpunch and even the Philadelphia Daily News are carrying balanced pieces highlighting unanswered questions about Flight 93 that were carefully avoided in the new release.

Universal are removing dissenting posts so fast that children who suck their thumbs and believe the establishment Jack and Jill version of 9/11 are now starting to look like the majority. Visit the forum and show them that a committed and educated minority will always triumph over an ignorant brainwashed mass of stupefied zombies.


www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/290406truthseekers.htm

[RPankn]

I don't even know why I still get surprised at the lengths the press sleepers will go to maintain the myth. This is one of the worst hack jobs I've seen outside of DU and SC.

Conspiracy film rewrites Sept. 11 [Unintended irony, no doubt.]

Updated 4/29/2006 2:00 AM ET

By William M. Welch, USA TODAY
Gypsy Taub, a mother of three from Oakland, does not believe that 9/11 happened. At least not the way the government said it did.

A Russian émigré, Taub is one of a growing number of people in the USA who are using the Internet, college campuses and pamphleteering to get the word out.

"Oh yeah, absolutely. On the day it happened, I thought it was the government that did it," she said.

Taub is promoting one of the latest presentations of revisionist theories on the 2001 attacks by al-Qaeda terrorists, a film that says, among other things, that the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile fired by the military as an excuse to go to war.

Called Loose Change, it is being downloaded from the Internet and shown in small screenings here and overseas. It is not alone in the genre, and it is not unusual in American history either to offer simplistic explanations or demonize opponents. Presidents from Andrew Jackson to Lyndon Johnson were accused by their contemporaries of massive government conspiracies.

The film appears especially popular among young people immersed in a Web culture brimming with sites that question the credibility of government. They see 9/11 as the defining moment of their lives.

"This is our generation's Vietnam, our generation's Kennedy assassination," says Korey Rowe, 23, the film's producer.

Professors and researchers of film and politics say the Internet is making it far easier to spread such theories because the traditional media are losing their hold on the news. The immense coverage of controversies and accusations surrounding the war on terror has created fertile ground for people who assign their own interpretations to photos, footage, eyewitnesses, investigations and newspaper accounts of what happened, they say.

"The information revolution now gives us access to too much information," says Jonathan Taplin, who teaches at the Annenberg School for Communications at the University of Southern California. "Our problems are that we're just overwhelmed, so in some sense we just basically don't even know where to turn."

'It's all over the place'

Craig Smith, director of the Center for First Amendment Studies at California State University, Long Beach, cites the unusual nature of 9/11: four airliners simultaneously hijacked and no defenses stop them.

"You would say, come on, I can't even buy that as a movie script," Smith says. "All of this feeds this readiness for paranoia."

Made by Rowe and friend Dylan Avery, 22, from Oneonta, N.Y., on a laptop computer for less than $10,000, the film contrasts sharply with United 93, a film opening Friday that portrays the struggle for the jetliner that crashed in Shanksville, Pa.

Internet chat rooms are full of promos for screenings of Loose Change in such locales as the Santa Cruz Veterans Memorial Building in California; the Université de Sherbrooke, Quebec; Graz, Austria; and a theater in London's Soho district.

"It's been breaking like nobody's business the last two months," says Taub, 36, who is sponsoring a showing Tuesday night in Oakland. "It's all over the place."

'They aren't truth-tellers'

Most of what the film alleges is refuted by the evidence at hand. Anything not answered definitively by the government is interpreted by the film as proof of a coverup.

Among the assertions in Loose Change is that a missile hit the Pentagon even though eyewitnesses saw the jet [The eyewitness statements often contradict one another, and by no means was there a general consensus among the eyewitnesses as to what they all saw. Furthermore, as any good lawyer knows, eyewitness testimony is completely unreliable as evidence. But to Welch, this is "fact."], numerous pieces of wreckage were found including the flight recorder, and those on the flight and in its path at the Pentagon are dead. [So where the hell are the bodies? All we have is the word of the FBI that autopsies were performed.]

There is also the claim that because jet fuel burns at up to 1,500 degrees and steel melts at 2,750 degrees, the World Trade Center's infrastructure could not have been brought down by the airliners. However, as reported by the Journal of the Minerals, Metals and Materials Society, steel loses 50% of its strength at 1,200 degrees, enough for a failure. [Still doesn't explain how both towers fell at nearly free fall speed and why Building 7 fell even though it wasn't hit by anything.]

"The only thing they (the filmmakers) seem to have gotten right about the Sept. 11 attacks is the date when they occurred," says Debra Burlingame, whose brother was the pilot of American Flight 77 that crashed into the Pentagon.

"They aren't truth-tellers looking to save the world," she says. "They're con artists hoping to sucker conspiracy-theory paranoids or anti-government malcontents into shelling out their hard-earned dollars." [Uhhhh, someone should inform Debra that anyone can obtain Loose Change for free online. To my knowledge, the producers of the film have never charged for it. What's Debra's agenda? Why isn't she demanding to know where her brother's body or personal effects are? Why does she accept the government's version without question?]

Some college students who saw Loose Change and are promoting it say it's good to raise questions.

The film offers "at the very least suggests that we don't know the whole truth, and that some things are quite fishy," says Matt Latham, a freshman at the University of California, Santa Cruz.

'Students love it'

Christian Pecaut, 25, a Stanford graduate who is promoting the film at the University of California, Berkeley campus, said the film is "catchy, hip," with an "upbeat soundtrack."

Aaron Williams, a senior at Texas A&M University and president of the philosophy club, believes the film. "Government is corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely," he says.

Penelope Price, a documentary filmmaker and professor at Scottsdale Community College, said she brought the filmmakers to the campus to stimulate critical thinking.

"Students love it," she said. "These guys have done a great job of marketing on the Web, and that was another reason I wanted to bring them in."

Conservative writer David Horowitz, a former 1960s radical, says conspiratorial thinking can offer a world view that is somehow less scary than reality. "Conspiracy theories are a kind of secular religion," he says, adding that campus faculties sometimes encourage anti-government feelings. "People feel great anxiety ... by the thought that nobody's in control." [Textbook Zionazi whoring: interviewing the deranged Horowitz about conspiracy theories when he and his ilk think a new Jewish Holocaust is just around the corner.]

People believe in conspiracy theories because the truth "is either too simple or too remote," says sociologist Clifton Bryant of Virginia Tech University, who has made a study of "deviant logic" and behavior. [Truth telling is "deviant logic" now.]

"We're always ready to believe something about which we know nothing," he says.

Contributing: Oren Dorell, Kasie Hunt in McLean, Va.


www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-04-27-conspiracies-sept-11_x.htm

[RPankn]

I wanna live in Betsy Hart's reality. Life would be so much easier to go through not having to think.

Conspiracy theories flourish regarding 9/11

By BETSY HART
Scripps Howard News Service
30-MAR-06

There are times when a girl is a little, um, surprised at the overwhelming response she gets.

So it was when I went on the Fox News Channel's "Hannity and Colmes" show last week to talk about actor Charlie Sheen's comments implicating our government in the "plot" to carry out the destruction of 3,000 lives along with the Twin Towers and Pentagon on 9/11.

It's probably no surprise that all of us discussing the issue from different perspectives still believed the attacks had, in fact, been carried about by determined Islamic terrorists, not our government.

Ahh, but later ... I started getting inundated with e-mails. They implored _ or demanded _ that I consider Sheen's "evidence" of a government conspiracy. Many were along the lines of this one: You are "obviously a Neo-con slave unable to think for yourself and it was made blatantly clear with your appearance on FOX ... "

Here's another:

"Maybe your (sic) just another media sleeper that is looking for ways to make herself richer."

That was from someone pretending to represent the Alex Jones radio show, which originally hosted Sheen. Whoever sent the e-mail did not represent the show.

My new Web blog was similarly inundated. Many cited a recent CNN poll that said more than 80 percent of Americans agreed with Sheen. Of course, it was one of those "what do you think/e-mail us now" type polls that mean nothing.

Still, it's clear a LOT of folks, including many kind and well-meaning people, really believe this conspiracy stuff.

Several great sources answer the conspiracy theorists, including a definitive cover story in Popular Mechanics magazine in March of last year [Written by dual Israeli citizen Michael Chertoff's cousin.]. (The story notes that even then the ranks of the conspiracy theorists were growing.) From the accusations that Building 7 collapsed for "no known reason" to "the Twin Towers fell at a speed that makes no sense" _ and therefore the government planted bombs in them _ Popular Mechanics uses many non-government sources to answer point by point how and what really happened that awful day. Pretty fascinating.

Interestingly, my blog also started receiving comments that the Popular Mechanics report shouldn't be believed, at least in part because the magazine had some relationship with William Randolph Hearst.

I'm the first one to suggest that we in a democracy should have a healthy dose of skepticism when it comes to our government. I would sure like to know how the United States ever became vulnerable to such attacks in the first place! But our skepticism has to be based on thoughtfulness, knowledge and right principles. (Have other conservatives, and liberals _ have I? _ gone so far, too far, in trying to question a legitimate government that this is what we get?)

In any event, what the conspiracy theorists won't answer is why our government would do such a thing as 9/11 _ and more to the point, if it committed this terrible crime and then, essentially, got away with it, why hasn't it "finished" the job? Conspiracy theorists repeatedly claim that no one can answer why there are so MANY conspiracy theorists, so that alone gives their theories credence.

That's a circular argument to say the least, but here's at least one reason for the conspiracy theories that I find compelling: the threat of Islamic terrorism is so frightening, so unpredictable, so unknowable that in some ways it's easier and more manageable for some folks to think that our government is behind it all. Exposing the terrorists for who they are resolves little _ evil must still be fought, and the endgame in some minds is uncertain. But if the administration could be exposed for "initiating these attacks," it would provide final, "easy" resolution _ and it would end the administration and any influence its adherents have, forever.

Could it be that the latter endgame is a little more comforting to some people?

But reality intervenes, and reality is that Muslim terrorists carried out the fateful assaults of 9/11 _ thank you, Osama Bin Laden, for admitting exactly that. [Her proof is the fat Osama video ;D ]

What may be the growing prevalence of the conspiracy theorists concerns me in this: not only is it an insult to those who died on 9/11, it does make me question _ if just for a moment _ whether we in the United States really have the will to fight and win the war against terror.


(Betsy Hart is the author of "It Takes a Parent: How the Culture of Pushover Parenting is Hurting Our Kids _ and What to Do About It." She can be reached at www.betsyhart.net or betsysblog.com.)

[karpomrx]

"The inflexible will of the German People guarantees our victory over the Jewish/Bolshevik enemy. History will hold it's breath as we advance the National Socialist cause in this war against the evil which threatens Germany and Europe."- Adolph Hitler , June 24th 1941, just after the invasion of the Soviet Union.

[RPankn]

Update: Universal shuts down discussion forum.

It was fun while it lasted...

It looks like Universal Pictures decided to take down their "Flight 93" forum. In all honesty, I'm shocked they didn't do it sooner. The boards were quickly overrun with visitors DESTROYING the government's account of 9/11. -From a commercial standpoint, that can't help you "sell" a movie based solely on the government's version of events.

Poll after poll at the site showed 80% of respondents believed there is a cover up surrounding 9/11. And if you saw the posts, you'd understand why. Anyone coming in with a "blank slate" undoubtedly left with mounds of excellent information they never heard in the mainstream media. I suspect many also left with a higher appreciation for those out there fighting for the truth.

Those challenging the official account were mostly polite and articulate. -They laid out well-reasoned arguments and produced references to back their assertions. The defenders of the "Official account" on the other hand were habitually rude and inarticulate. They laid out poorly reasoned arguments and relied on pejoratives to back their assertions.

For instance, a post about the importance of the Northwoods Document was made. One of the boards "Official theory" defender's considered this a sufficient response:

"It never happened; people got fired, next-"

I replied:

"The relevance of the Northwoods Document is: It irrefutably establishes our government WOULD openly conspire to not only provoke and allow an attack (to further an already established military agenda) ...they'd actually manufacture the entire event.

Perhaps equally important: If the plan hadn't been made public, the same type of people who blindly accept whatever the government says would be calling the Northwoods Document an "urban legend" spun by kooks, loons, and moonbats.

-Worse, if it had been enacted, the government groupies would have bought the official account hook, line, and sinker."

Then, to show just how "Tinfoil Hat Crazy" the Northwoods plan was, I posted a few paragraphs of it.


"It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama, or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

a. An aircraft at Eglin Air Force Base would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time, the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin Air Force Base where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "May Day" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident."


Given those two responses to choose from, would you think the Northwoods Document was something you should verify the existence of, or something to be written off as irrelevant?

Throughout the forum, equally lopsided arguments were made on every topic. WTC 7, PNAC, The Collapse of the Towers, NORAD, etc. -granted, there were a couple fair minded people trying to think of legitimate ways to defend the official account, but most avoided answering any of the hard questions, relying on insults and diversions to scare people away from thinking for themselves. -from what I could tell, it didn't work...not even close.

UPDATE: A visitor sent me the link below...I haven't seen the movie, but if you have (and want to post your thoughts) have at it! (At the time I added this link, there were only 59 posts.) 7:40 am on 5.5.06

www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005JOZI/103-4329500-2408650?v=glance&n=130


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