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Post by calabi-yau on Apr 26, 2004 11:47:30 GMT -5
We need simplified sound-bite versions of our message. Three words...no more. "Honesty! Equality! Responsibility!" - or maybe: "We're not corrupt!" - or something. Point is, we've gotta' keep it short and sweet for marketing reasons. We can use more than one motto, but they've GOT to be brief and simple if we want people to remember us. Jay From my experience of having written hundreds of memos to staff at work, one thing I have learned is never use 'negatives' even if you're giving them hell...(No wonder they think I'm such a nice boss) 'we're honest' is much better than 'we're not corrupt' ! Honesty ! ... we're honest Unity ! ... we stand as one Solidarity ! ... we support one another Progress ! ... we believe in the future Liberty ! ... we are a free nation Justice ! ... justice will prevail All good words. All needed. That was my loonie for the day.
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Post by stonefruit on Apr 26, 2004 19:31:06 GMT -5
I agree w/Jay's mom. This country is toast. It won't be possible to build much needed alternatives to the Republicrat money party for a decade or two until America has pased through the maelstrom.
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Post by POA on Apr 26, 2004 19:37:06 GMT -5
I agree w/Jay's mom. This country is toast. It won't be possible to build much needed alternatives to the Republicrat money party for a decade or two until America has pased through the maelstrom. Even if that's true (and I certainly grant that it's possible for you to be right given what I've seen and read), we're still going to need some kind of plan for alternatives. Otherwise, the people who are going to fill in the vacuum are going to be the Ashcroft-types who see the Republic of Gilead as their utopia, and the US will more or less stay that way forever once they've shot or exiled all their opposition.
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Post by POA on Apr 26, 2004 19:38:34 GMT -5
From my experience of having written hundreds of memos to staff at work, one thing I have learned is never use 'negatives' even if you're giving them hell...(No wonder they think I'm such a nice boss) 'we're honest' is much better than 'we're not corrupt' ! Honesty ! ... we're honest Unity ! ... we stand as one Solidarity ! ... we support one another Progress ! ... we believe in the future Liberty ! ... we are a free nation Justice ! ... justice will prevail All good words. All needed. That was my loonie for the day. How about 'fair' as one of them? ie, 'fair taxation'. Justice also has a lot of potential as well....ie, a 'just foreign policy'.
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Post by POA on Apr 26, 2004 19:49:53 GMT -5
I agree with Moses on the Covenant term. It brings us back immediately to images of the American Revolution, freedom from oppression and the creation of a new republic. Social, like liberal is not palatable for too many American ears and the opposition would use it negatively. It's surreal that the word 'social' is so loaded...but after thinking about it, you're right and it would be used so negatively as to create additional problems. Is there a better word than Covenant, though? It's a bit too, well, biblical for my tastes.
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Post by Jay Berner on Apr 26, 2004 19:57:29 GMT -5
"...never use 'negatives'..."
You're right, of course.
"Honesty ! ... we're honest "Unity ! ... we stand as one "Solidarity ! ... we support one another "Progress ! ... we believe in the future "Liberty ! ... we are a free nation "Justice ! ... justice will prevail "Fairness !"
All are spot on! This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. I can't remember the 10 Key Values of the Greens and I know I've read them 40 times, but a few powerful words are exactly the stuff.
I called the FEC and here's the deal: We need to set up State Parties, and the rules vary from state to state. When we've either raised or spent $1,000.00 we can register a Contact and a Treasurer. Then we need to learn about campaign finance law. They're mailing me a big packet of info complete with forms.
That's as far as I got today, but by tomorrow night I'll find out what MA's requirements are and set to them.
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Post by Jay Berner on Apr 26, 2004 20:26:53 GMT -5
I'm afraid my mother is right, too.
Should we start this political party while we turn our cash into rubies, and as soon as it looks really bad, bolt? Or should we just skip the activism and bend our backs to saving as much money as we can before we hit the eject button? That'd probably be wisest course if we're sure it's all gonna' melt down.
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Post by Ropegun on Apr 26, 2004 20:51:44 GMT -5
Well done Jay.
I'll find out tomorrow what needs to be done in Washington State.
And to your following post, it will indeed melt down. The only real question is when. And who is going to be there to pick up the pieces.
I don't intend to leave.
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Post by calabi-yau on Apr 27, 2004 11:06:10 GMT -5
Justice ! ... justice will prevail Gawd... I'm starting to sound like Bush myself. Maybe I need a break. Sorry about that one folks.
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Post by calabi-yau on Apr 27, 2004 11:14:41 GMT -5
I'm afraid my mother is right, too. Should we start this political party while we turn our cash into rubies, and as soon as it looks really bad, bolt? Or should we just skip the activism and bend our backs to saving as much money as we can before we hit the eject button? That'd probably be wisest course if we're sure it's all gonna' melt down. I agree with Jay's mom and Stonefruit. Complete melt-down is a a strong possibility right now. As for those who wish to make a difference, let us all give them the freedom to decide where they are most needed. Take example on the French Resistance during WWII. Some worked from within, some from outside the country. Both coordinated to hurt the assaillant . Some of you may decide to start from inside but should not feel guilty about bolting if it comes to a point you feel your contribution would be best from afar. Once dead, your contribution is over.
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Post by calabi-yau on Apr 27, 2004 11:18:55 GMT -5
I just googled it and did not find any organization with that specific name.
How 'bout making republicans go apecaca ? Why not call it the "New American Republic" Party.
;D
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Post by Ropegun on Apr 27, 2004 11:24:21 GMT -5
Apecaca? ;D
I think I would have used different language.
All good comments. I wish I had more to add.
Peace.
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Post by Moses on Apr 27, 2004 14:17:02 GMT -5
Re: Apecaca-- Proboards has a text editor-- sort of like madlibs-- produces some good words! I like Apecaca, esp. pronounced continental-style. Could be a good code word or code name for a front org.
Re: Is there a better word than Covenant, though? It's a bit too, well, biblical for my tastes.
I think its important to take this word back, specifically. They use it as a code word meaning God's supposed covenant to his "chosen People" etc and it elevates what they are doing (in their minds) above the mere worldly tweaking of the rest of us.
But it is they who are violators of Covenants. Major covenants. So I think the use of the word is critical.
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Post by calabi-yau on Apr 27, 2004 19:13:47 GMT -5
Re: Apecaca-- Proboards has a text editor-- sort of like madlibs-- produces some good words! I like Apecaca, esp. pronounced continental-style. Could be a good code word or code name for a front org. No Text editor at work here. This is pure Calabi-style !
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Post by POA on Apr 28, 2004 16:16:31 GMT -5
I agree with Jay's mom and Stonefruit. Complete melt-down is a a strong possibility right now. As for those who wish to make a difference, let us all give them the freedom to decide where they are most needed. Take example on the French Resistance during WWII. Some worked from within, some from outside the country. Both coordinated to hurt the assaillant . Some of you may decide to start from inside but should not feel guilty about bolting if it comes to a point you feel your contribution would be best from afar. Once dead, your contribution is over. This is one of those arguments where I agree with both sides, so I'll explain: I do think that we're going to need to try and make changes from inside (inside not meaning, of course, the type of collaborationist nonsense that passes for a lot of Democrats), but meaning that people need to know that there is an alternative and that the United States isn't uniquely hopeless. The New Democratic Party could be an integral part of this. At the same time, I think that we should be working (both within and without the United States) towards forming some kind of network to help those people who are sane and likely to be further victimized by our government/'society' who want to get out. Calabi-Yau's point about the French resistance is a good one-it probably would've been much harder to restart democracy in France if there hadn't been people abroad who were willing to bring their ideals, talents, and principles back to it when the war ended.
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