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Post by RPankn on Jan 2, 2006 18:57:24 GMT -5
36 of 257. BarryRagin Durham, NC | Member 19121, Joined Dec 27, 2003 | 3069 posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: 2005-12-15 14:15 Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 2005-12-15 13:45, kanuckistani wrote: So, cewiller, how do you respond to the Iranian President's question "Why wasn't the homeland for the Jews created in Europe, since it was done in response to European guilt for the Holocaust?" Inquiring minds want to know. Peace -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the European nations have a fairly long history of kicking the Jews out in the first place. and the Jews only ended up in Europe after being kicked out of Israel by the Romans in the first place. the Holocaust may have been the weight that tipped the scales in favor of creating the state of Israel, but the movement to create the state certainly predates the rise of the Nazis. but you knew that already, didn't you? Let's put the lie in the first paragraph to rest. Askenazi Jews were not the Negros and Native Americans of Europe, and I'd like to know who or where this comes from, because I've seen this repeated many times, mostly by ADL shills competing for the 'most victimized' prize. Many Askenazi Jews were members of the merchant class, meaning they weren't exactly poor slaves, and lived in their own distinct communities. Kind of like many places in the U.S., where some communities are predominatly comprised of one nationality or ethnicity. The second paragraph is a non-sequiter if I ever saw one, and ignores the fact that Israel's current location was never static in the Zionists' discussions of where it should be located. On edit: I missed the second sentence in the first paragraph, which is complete b.s. Ashkenazis' genetic origins are Caucasoid, meaning they were always Europeans. Very different gene pool from Sephortic or Mizrahi Jews, who are Middle Eastern in origin.
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Post by RPankn on Jan 2, 2006 19:14:57 GMT -5
40 of 257. canadianperson | Member 14126, Joined May 09, 2003 | 5726 posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: 2005-12-15 14:42 When people say that the Jewish people should go back to Europe, many were driven out and settled in America long before Hitler made anti-Semitism an official government policy. The early movie moguls were almost all Jewish, really they invented Hollywood.
What the hell does this have to do with anything? This is yet another lie, because an Israeli scholar wrote a book recently, with documentation, showing the Zionists collaborated with the Nazis to prevent many German Jews from seeking asylum in Britain and the U.S. in order to create the pretext necessary to establish Israel.
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Post by RPankn on Jan 2, 2006 19:31:49 GMT -5
Yet more proof that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to get into law school, if she really is a lawyer like she said. Israel's nukes are in secular hands? Please, their religious freak show is as bad as the one we have here.
76 of 257. MissMarple San Francisco | Member 426, Joined Mar 27, 2001 | 8120 posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: 2005-12-16 03:29 What do we really know about Iran and atomic energy? If it is the Russians selling them equipment for atomic electricity generation, can't we get the information from them? Where could they possibly get the atomic material? Can't we find out from them what and how much has been or will be sent Iran? I can see my back yard, which is 25 by 40, from the satellite. Can't we see what is going on in Iran? Atomic reactors have a particular foot print, depending upon the type. You can't hide them. If a reactor is being built, we should be able to figure out what it is for from a satellite picture. Iran is having "hot flashes" right now, but they are good people who feel under pressure. Threats will get you nowhere. They don't trust us, for good reason. They must trust someone. We need to encourage the UN to find some country or some person they trust enough to find out what is going on. As much as I don't want Iran to have an atomic bomb, because of their religion based government, I don't see how the US can complain. Pakistan is an atomic country as is India. Israel has atomic weapons, but it's military is in the hands of the irreligious, non-religious. I suspect Iran doesn't already have an atomic bomb and is not close or Israel would have already taken it out. I'm not sure that Pakistan would be very happy about an atomic Iran. Pakistan is ruled by a nominally religious military. If the IAEA could get back into Iran with nothing hidden, maybe we can avoid another Iraq. I just don't know any more.
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Post by RPankn on Jan 2, 2006 19:44:11 GMT -5
Kiss kiss and high five, brother-in-Zion, from Mateo. Who originally claimed to be Catholic growing up, but sometime in the past two years became an Orthodox and ethnic Jew who grew up in South Carolina where he was persecuted for being Jewish. Or was that while he was a Catholic?
100 of 257. Mateo San Francisco | Member 412, Joined Mar 25, 2001 | 8732 posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: 2005-12-18 14:38
Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 2005-12-18 14:28, cewillir wrote:
Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 2005-12-18 14:18, kanuckistani wrote: Cewiller, what is the point you are trying to make with this semantic exercise of yours?
Here we have an elected voice of the Muslim world speaking. Isn't it prudent of us to try our best to understand the communication, and perhaps strengthen a dialogue, rather than demonizing and dismissing him?
Peace
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I doidn't start the exercise in semantics.
The wishful thinking brigade did that.
I trust that in communication with the Republicans you'll
"try our best to understand the communication, and perhaps strengthen a dialogue" ??
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Cewillir,
I want to take a time out to pay you a compliment. There is as much hypocrisy on the left as there is on the right. Probably because I'm a liberal I find leftist hypocrisy completely intolerable.
I will never completely recover from the sordid excuses that were made for the Iranian government when it hung two teenaged boys for having sex.
You burst bubbles of hypocrisy that float to this site and you get more than your share of crap for it. But what you do is essential.
Thanks.
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Post by RPankn on Jan 2, 2006 20:30:12 GMT -5
148 of 257. cewillir | Member 10703, Joined Jan 05, 2003 | 4418 posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: 2005-12-19 10:35 I'm not sure that this is a 'good' source.
But if accurate it's one of the stranger comments I've seen.
"LONDON, December 19 (IranMania) - Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Hamid-Reza Asefi said that Canada's human rights resolution against Iran is a political move by making use of a domestic pretext, according to IRNA.
Speaking to reporters in this week's briefing, he added that unfortunately the human rights issue has been turned into a tool used by the countries, while the continuation of this trend by some western circles has even reduced its efficiency.
"Besides, Canada itself is one of the major violators of human rights," added the spokesman.
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Iran Mania
Canada as the bad guy. That's a curious one - maybe too much South Park?
Why, yes, Canada does have an atrocious record when it comes to the treatment of the indiginous native population and police brutality toward minority populations in urban centers, especially Blacks of Carribean descent. Although at the present time there is more hope for Canada becoming the only truly enlightened democracy in North America, it's hardly the liberal utopia that many Americans have created in their minds. Canada has their own neocons, Freepers and religious kooks too; although, their numbers and power are not as great as here in the US. And having a parliamentary system helps to mitigate the sort of disproportionate influence these groups wield here in the US under our system.
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