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Post by POA on Mar 4, 2005 20:17:46 GMT -5
These two posts were made to a thread that was ostensibly intended to discuss input to the board management there: same thread105 of 154. SmirkyChimpster New York, New York | Member 148, Joined Nov 20, 2000 | 1347 posts Posted: 2005-03-04 10:20 From Smirky Chimpster and the Holy Grail: SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: Well, I AM king... RECORDKEEPER: Oh king, eh, very nice. An' how'd you get that, eh? By exploitin' the workers -- by 'angin' on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic an' social differences in our society! If there's ever going to be any progress-- KWADWO: Recordkeeper, there's some lovely filth down here. Oh -- how d'you do? SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: How do you do, good lady. I am Smirky Chimpster, King of the Chimpsters. Whose castle is that? KWADWO: King of the who? SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: The Chimpsters. KWADWO: Who are the Chimpsters? SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: Well, we all are. we're all Chimpsters and I am your king. KWADWO: I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective. RECORDKEEPER: You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship. A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes-- KWADWO: Oh there you go, bringing class into it again. RECORDKEEPER: That's what it's all about if only people would-- SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives in that castle? KWADWO: No one live there. SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: Then who is your lord? KWADWO: We don't have a lord. SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: What? RECORDKEEPER: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week. SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: Yes. RECORDKEEPER: But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting. SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: Yes, I see. RECORDKEEPER: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,-- SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: Be quiet! RECORDKEEPER: --but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more-- SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet! KWADWO: Order, eh -- who does he think he is? SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: I am your king! KWADWO: Well, I didn't vote for you. SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: You don't vote for kings. KWADWO: Well, 'ow did you become king then? SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: The Lady of the Lake, [angels sing] her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Smirky Chimpster, was to carry Excalibur. [singing stops] That is why I am your king! RECORDKEEPER: Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: Be quiet! RECORDKEEPER: Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you! SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: Shut up! RECORDKEEPER: I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an empereror just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away! SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: Shut up! Will you shut up! RECORDKEEPER: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system. SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: Shut up! RECORDKEEPER: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed! SMIRKY CHIMPSTER: Bloody peasant! RECORDKEEPER: Oh, what a give away. Did you here that, did you here that, eh? That's what I'm on about -- did you see him repressing me, you saw it didn't you? ******* 110 of 154. SmirkyChimpster New York, New York | Member 148, Joined Nov 20, 2000 | 1347 posts Posted: 2005-03-04 11:05 I believe whomever it was who likened the enforecement of the posting guidelines to highway speed limits and "giving the cop the finger as you speed by" perfectly nailed my philsophy of site administration. So let me be brutally honest with you: You are a humorless bellyaching whiner who doesn't know when to shut up and if you told me to breathe I'd probably hold my breath just to be contrary. Some of your suggestions border on reasonable but why should I reward your annoying behavior? Quite frankly, I can't imagine why you'd spend any time on this site at all, as horrible a picture you paint of how it is managed, yet three years and thousands of posts later you're stlll here. Why is that, if it's such a horrible experience for you? Who would voluntarily live under "Staliism"? Did they kick you off Democratic Underground? Frankly I'd ban you just to be rid of your bawling but I suspect that's just what you want. Don't bother responding because I'm through with you. To the rest of the readership: I apologize for showing my ugly side in public. Chalk it up to me being taunted past my breaking point.
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Post by Moses on Mar 4, 2005 21:01:26 GMT -5
!!!!!!
I thought the Recordkeeper thread was hillarious!!!! Even brilliant!! (Kwadwo was funny too!)
Is "SmirkyChimp" Ann Coulter?! The tone sounds familiar-- incredibly insulting in a personal way. That is the culture of the site.
I wish I could remember who Recordkeeper is! Tell Recordkeeper (if he/she hasn't been deleted) that I think he she was brilliantly funny and witty and also articulate!!
The response by that big fat psycho-neocon who runs that front org "smirking chimp" was completely inappropriate.
What was the reaction? Who then when kissing up to the Board Daddy?
Is it true they threw off Shadowthief and deleted all his posts? They've been doing that from the beginning to people. --anyone who dares post the truth.
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Post by POA on Mar 4, 2005 21:18:27 GMT -5
!!!!!! I thought the Recordkeeper thread was hillarious!!!! Even brilliant!! (Kwadwo was funny too!) Actually, that was SmirkyChimpster trying to satirize both Recordkeeper and Kwadwo simoultaneously. Yes; that's absolutely true. What happened is the following: Bughead1 started a thread where he wanted everyone on the board to de-anonymize themselves because he had done it. Not surprisingly, the reaction he got was about as friendly as if he had tried to steal a cow from a pack of starving wolves. As it turned out, another poster claimed to have discovered that Bughead1 was actually a donor and a member of the Idaho Republican Party. The thread went downhill from there. A second thread was started a bit later on, and Bughead1 was additionally attacked there by Shadowthief. Shadowthief was banned. A second poster named Surfergurl came on. SmirkyChimpster claimed that Surfergurl was also Shadowthief, and then permabanned him (no proof was offered). He then claimed that there was nothing he could do to stop Shadowthief from posting, so the only 'solution' he could come up with was to make all of Shadowthief's posts 'invisible', which basically hacked apart the entire archives of the newsgroup because Shadowthief was part of most of the major arguments that SC ever had. Recordkeeper doubted SmirkyChimpster (hardly alone in this), so she got insulted by a bunch of people on the thread I pulled those posts from.
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Post by Moses on Mar 4, 2005 23:25:34 GMT -5
Hmmm... the plot thickens. Who is the ring behind that site?
I wish I could remember who Record Keeper was!
Smirky Chimpster is sort of like that guy from Daily Show -- the Viper? "Feel my sting! Feel my sting!"
Smirky Chimpster was ridiculing Kwadwo?
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Post by RPankn on Mar 11, 2005 8:21:25 GMT -5
Look at this. Jeff Tiedrich is at it again (I refuse to call him, his Christian Zionist sidekick, or many others at SC 'Smirky Chimpster' or 'Chimpsters', which implies derision toward the current administration, because they apparently love the agenda, they're just waiting for their kind of mensch to take the helm). From now on, I will automatically consider every person on every political message board who goes on about what the wingnuts will think a rightwing troll. And it really looks that way because Jeff seems to have the rightwing smear tactics down pat. 1 of 96. SmirkyChimpster New York, New York | Member 148, Joined Nov 20, 2000 | 1380 posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: 2005-03-09 10:19 Liberals, Tin Foil and the Threat to our Credibility Okay, we're in the fifth year of the Age of Bush, and I can understand that people are fed up. Hell, I'm fed up, as you can probably deduce by reading the articles I post here on a daily basis [ Really? Not once do I remember seeing Jeff criticize this administration]. But while I try to keep my rant points grounded in reality [ i.e., Jeff still believes in fairy tales, Santa Claus and that the "mainstream media" is providing "news" and not pro-administration propaganda], many of my fellow liberals seem to be bound by no such restrictions [ Rightwing smear tactic #1: Set the tone of your discussion by defining yourself as the "sane" and "rational" one, and your opponents as nuts or looney.]. I am a moderator at a pretty popular liberal discussion forum [ Popular? A site that has maybe 25 regular, individual posters at most, and the others are all multiple aliases of Jeff, Joseph Nobels aka Bolo Boffin aka Board Nanny aka etc., etc., and Jeff and Joe's rightwing, Reagan loving, neocon friends. Maybe all of us here should start posting under several aliases and then we, too, can claim DD is "pretty popular."], and lately I've seen a rash of breathless posts on a variety of issues with links to a web site called Rense.com [ Rightwing smear tactic #2: ignore all the other plausible, fact-based theories, websites, etc., pick the kookiest site or story you can find, and then tar all liberals and CTers by implying they all believe in the kooky site you picked. Jeff is pretty transparent by this point, so let's see what else he has to say] Evey one of these posts screamed that this was a big story, that there was evidence here that could bring down the Bush administration if only enough people were told about them. The latest one dealt with the Jim Guckert fiasco, and it was pure bullnuts (I'll get to this in a second) [ Actually, it wasn't "pure b.s." There were a bizarre series of coincedences which would give anyone with an open mind and no hidden agenda pause. For example, the photo comparisons of Johnny Gosh before he was kidnapped, and a recent photo of Jim Guckert; there were many similarities in their facial features. Or that the editor of the Omaha World Hearld's name is James D. Gannon, the WH hooker's pseudonym was Jeff Gannon aka Jim D. Guckert, and then Johnny D. Gosh: all JDGs.] Now, many of the posters at this particular forum have been around for a while, and they pointed out that Rense was not exactly a reliable source, tantalizing though his 'stories' may be [ I think what ticks Jeff off about Rense is that Rense publishes anti-Zionist pieces, and Jeff and his sidekick are clearly some sort of Zionists, well, you get the picture]. The person who posted this big story in the first place responded by saying that this stuff simply had to be true because the mainstream media 'refused' to report it, thereby proving that they were 'in on the coverup.' [/i]Rightwing smear tactic #3: pull anonymous, and therefore probably made up, quotes out of your a*s and attribute them to your opponent to make them look a few sandwiches short of a picnic. This tactic is effective if used repeatedly because its plays on the stigma mental illness still has in this society.[/i]] To make matters worse, this morning I got an email from the Randi Rhodes mailing list that featured the heading 'Enough Here To Bring Bush Regime Down if gotten to EVERYONE!!' It contained 8 links to stories on Rense.com [ If you don't like it, then unsubscribe from the mailing list jackass. No one's forcing you to be on it.]. I want you all to take a look at some of this stuff and decide for yourselves. There's a story that claims that Gannon/Guckert is actually named Johnny Gosch, a kid from Iowa who was kidnapped for a 'Elite-controlled sex-slave ring.' [ Apparently Jeff has never read up on the Franklin Credit Union pedophelia ring and the connections Franklin had with Iran-Contra.] Another claimed that a Russian newspaper was going to break the story that the 'White House is controlled by homosexuals!' [ If not the White House, then Smirking Chimp is.] A third article claims '100% confirmation that Gannon is really this Gosch kid. There's more, but you get the idea. Just for laughs [ right, "just for laughs," Jeff. You couldn't be more transparent if you were a pane of glass], I Googled 'Jeff Rense Bill Clinton,' and here are some of the articles that came back. Did you know [ Rightwing smear tactic #4: choose someone you think your opponents regard as an icon -- which, if Jeff was a true Democrat, he would know the grassroots activists that go to sites like his do not hold either Clinton in high esteem -- and show how those "crazy Lefties and CTers" have "smeared" their cherished icon to create the implication that they're not on your side either]: Bill Clinton is the illegitimate child of one-time Arkansas governor Winthrop Rockefeller? A picture exists, made by an undercover team of the Drug Enforcement Administration, showing George W. Bush snorting cocaine with his buddy William Rockefeller Clinton? (Link) That Princess Diana was murdered, and the murder was covered up? (no link to Clinton here, but this sheds light on how eager Rense is to claim a conspiracy) [ Repeat of Rightwing smear tactic #2. And, uh, Jeff, quite a few Britons think her death was covered up, too. Especially when Diana herself wrote that she was convinced she would be offed and her death covered up.] That Clinton covered up 'The Truth' about UFOs? There's more. Much more. Rense spent the Clinton years offering up one loony-ass scenario after another about Bill Clinton [ Repeat of Rightwing smear tactic #1]. And now we're hanging our hopes on this guy to 'bring down the Bush Regime?' Come on, people. We have Bush's record to beat him over the head with. We have Gannon/Guckert's very recent past to beat him over the head with. In terms of issues that Bush is on the wrong side of, we have what you can truthfully call a target-rich environment [ Note that Jeff doesn't give specifics and never has. Wonder why that is Jeff?]. I fear that in our haste to discredit George W. Bush, there are those of us who will embrace any story in order to 'bring down' the Bush administration. It's a powerful seduction, and it's easy to fall into - just look at the play Rense is getting with this 'Johhny Gosch' nonsense. My warning is this: let's not get so intent on discrediting Bush that we embrace the wrong sources, thereby discrediting ourselves. Remove the tin foil hats, step back from the computer and clear your heads. Then get back to work - but leave Rense out of it [ Translation: I hate Jeff Rense because he publishes anti-Zionist pieces and so should you now that I've tried my best to make him into a kook]. www.smirkingchimp.com/viewtopic.php?topic=53359&forum=3&start=0 Also, someone should tell Michael Sheridan aka Sherimj that Semites are not just Jews, that term includes those of Arabic descent as well as others. And anti-Zionist does not equal anti-Jewish. These are classic Likud Orwellian tactics to redefine words to their liking. But this has been explained at SC ad nauseum, and Sherimj has been there just as long, so I suspect it's not accidental.
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Post by Moses on Mar 11, 2005 8:34:41 GMT -5
I observed on that site that many posters were driven off as so-called "conspiracy theorists"-- like those who tried to warn about the neocons, and other important information that anyone who is opposed to war and suppports helpful domestic policy would want to know. (And probably would already know).
One of these was driven off the site for suggesting that there was a connection w/ the site and Paul Begala, which caused me to believe that there probably IS a connection between the site and Paul Begala.
But also, the guy who runs it is just some New Jersey hick who probably lives in his mother's basement.
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Post by RPankn on Mar 11, 2005 18:51:41 GMT -5
I shouldn't go so hard on SC. DU has been getting progressively worse lately, but it's still not as bad as SC yet.
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Post by camaxtle on Mar 11, 2005 21:58:32 GMT -5
Thank you Rpankin, and Moses, you help me better understand the cancer that is the smirkingchimp. I had no idea it was so rampant. Thank you. I still read the smirkingchimp for the articles but try and stay away from the message boards.
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Post by RPankn on Mar 16, 2005 9:29:07 GMT -5
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Post by Moses on Mar 16, 2005 10:36:42 GMT -5
The rebuttals to the "David Project" post made it interesting to read. Smirky Chimpster is very close to MdDem in his response: (shutting down thread of course) "Jew-haters"?! Here is a list of participants in the thread (besides "blue American") : Lizardking, Nichomachus, Durs, chlorocardium , fomajes , prideofandover , cewillir, xdbx, A_makeover , sherimj , IChing, Eurovoice. I saw nothing in their posts that called for the horrendous accusation made by Smirkychimpster, who appears to be nothing but a New Jersey sleeze a la the Soparanos. (double entendre intended) . How does SmirkyChimpster know that Edward Olshaker is "MdDem"? Anyway, if he is, this would make MdDem strange-- not a youngster living in his mothers basement (though he may, like SmirkyChimpster be doing so at an old age-- noting the "long time journalist description at article: www.jewishpress.com/news_article.asp?article=4426). SmirkyChimpster himself posted one of Olshaker's articles: www.smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=18306&mode=nestedIn Olshaker's Jewish Press Article, he takes quotes from neonazi sites and those from democratic political sites (SC and DU) that are critical of Israel (haven't read the neonazi ones he posts) and states that "I am forced to conclude that the "politically correct" vitriol of the Israel-hating activist Left makes the venomous rhetoric of right-wing ideologues seem mild by comparison." It is "politically correct" to call criticism of Israel "vitriol" -- the criticism of Israel is most certainly NOT politically correct. Most of his quotes from the "neo-nazi" sites are from "stormfront.org". He has two from David Duke's site that is by a single author. This is a common ploy to suggest that criticism of Israel, and vitriol against Israel is neonazism. His suggestion that Israel, it's wall, its bantustans, its occupation, its lawless killings, its theocracy, are beyond reproach and that to suggest otherwise is to reveal oneself as a neonazi. Edward Olshaker has written a parapsychology book which is a compendium of Psychic Researchers "insights" on suspicious prominent deaths. (http://www.atlasbooks.com/marktplc/01230.htm). This may be a clue to his own psychology, who knows? -- a paranoid aspect? But anyway, he's stuck in the usual trite defense of Israel, as is SmirkyChimpster. <br>
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Post by POA on Mar 16, 2005 10:38:00 GMT -5
I'll do my best: After I got tempbanned for being 'pro-Palestinian' (for basically insulting Mossad-dem and giving him what he dished out to everyone else), I was eventually unbanned, but I didn't stick around for long in open posting until after the election because ABB made the board stink so badly as much as a message board actually could do so. During the period where I wasn't posting, but I was basically watching, Mossad-dem continued to be as insulting, anti-Arab racist, censorious, and hypocritical as he ever was. Eventually it got to the point where md-dem was banned once, he came back after being unbanned (again), and then was banned for a final time and has apparently stayed banned. However, there are several...unanswered questions that Mossad-dem's tolerance on the site raises: 1) How come he was given literally multiple chances to be a monster on that board when people who hadn't done anything wrong, such as ChimpChips, michou, and (most recently) recordkeeper, were tossed out? 2) Recently, a poster named BlueAmerican has showed up with Mossad-dem's same posting pattern. SmirkyChimpster, when locking the thread, said that the article that started the thread was, in fact, written by md-dem (the name was Werner Cohn, iirc). How does SmirkyChimpster know this? Which, in fact, leads into: 3) I think that SmirkyChimpster and md-dem actually know each other. md-dem, although grievously intellectually dishonest in other ways, made a similar claim in the last thread he posted to before he was locked out.
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Post by Moses on Mar 16, 2005 11:06:08 GMT -5
But SmirkyChimpster claims that another article written by Edward Olshaker was written by MdDem. That is, he is saying that Olshaker is MdDem and wrote the article for "revenge" at being banned. SmirkyChimpster gives the link to the article: www.jewishpress.com/news_article.asp?article=4426Here is the quote as it appeared from SmirkyChimpster with the link: So SmirkyChimpster may indeed know Edward Olshaker, as he seems to be quite sure that the Jewish Press article was written by him. If so, Edward Olshaker may have a cause of action against SmirkyChimpster, because he has violated the contract not to reveal the identities of posters.
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Post by POA on Mar 16, 2005 13:30:47 GMT -5
But SmirkyChimpster claims that another article written by Edward Olshaker was written by MdDem. That is, he is saying that Olshaker is MdDem and wrote the article for "revenge" at being banned. SmirkyChimpster gives the link to the article: www.jewishpress.com/news_article.asp?article=4426Here is the quote as it appeared from SmirkyChimpster with the link: So SmirkyChimpster may indeed know Edward Olshaker, as he seems to be quite sure that the Jewish Press article was written by him. If so, Edward Olshaker may have a cause of action against SmirkyChimpster, because he has violated the contract not to reveal the identities of posters. I just read the article by Edward Olshaker. I'm probably wrong about Werner Cohn, but I can certainly recognize the similarities in posting style between Olshaker and md-dem (ie, the real gift for taking things out of context, and slamming an entire site for what some people might've said without any understanding why they might've been said). Regarding cause of action, it seems that it might go both ways, actually. SmirkyChimpster could probably sue Olshaker for making false accusations of anti-Semitism against the website as well, although that'd probably drag a lot of laundry out on both of them. Curiouser and curiouser....
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Post by RPankn on Mar 17, 2005 4:49:39 GMT -5
Two days in a row and another thread gets locked; must be some kind of record. And it was an interesting article from Reuters about the discrimination Ethiopian Jews face from White Jews in Israel. Of course we all know how anti-semetic Reuters is; always trying to cause trouble. ;D 8 of 8. SmirkyChimpster New York, New York | Member 148, Joined Nov 20, 2000 | 1389 posts -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: 2005-03-16 15:23 I must have been momentarily distracted and missed the announcement that it's Bash Jews Week here on the Chimp. I can't wait for BlueAmerican to show up complete this little tea party. This thread has no relevance here and was started strictly to stir up nuts. No thanks. [ This message was edited by: SmirkyChimpster on 2005-03-16 15:30 ] This topic is locked; no new posts may be added | Ethiopia Jews battle Israeli prejudice Here's the offending article: Ethiopia Jews battle Israeli prejudice Once a poor immigrant from Ethiopia, Mehereta Baruch has leapt to fame in Israel as a star on a reality television show. The 30-year-old actress is one of a tiny minority of black arrivals in the past two decades to achieve a measure of prominence in a country where Ethiopians complain of routine discrimination by fellow Jews. "Their dream hasn't been fulfilled. As far as being equal and belonging, it just hasn't happened," said Baruch. The actress was a finalist on a popular reality show called The Ambassador, where young Israelis competed for a job as an envoy selling the country's image abroad. Although she did not win, Baruch is happy she proved she could overcome "stereotypes and prejudice that I encounter a lot". Jews of Ethiopian descent, tracing their roots to the biblical King Solomon, number about 105,000 among Israel's six million people today. Most, like Baruch, were flown in during huge airlifts in the 1980s. Another 20,000 Ethiopians are expected from now until 2007 after a pledge to speed up immigration of the Falasha Mura. Poverty Nobody doubts that many of the Ethiopian Jews were happy to leave Ethiopia not only because of their religion, but also to escape one of the world's poorest countries and a land haunted by war and famine. But while they may be financially better off in Israel than in Ethiopia, they are struggling compared to most other Israelis. Some 60% are considered to be living in poverty compared to 20% of the general population, according to figures from Meyers-JDC-Brookdale, a prominent Israeli social research institute. "We are making an effort to stop this through new programmes," said David Yasu of Israel's Immigration Ministry, adding that Ethiopians get more state aid than other immigrants to Israel. Encouraging immigration is a cornerstone of policy in a country where officials worry about the faster birth rates of Israeli Arabs and Palestinians than Jews as well as falling immigration. Still, newcomers have traditionally complained of being hard done by - whether they are Jews who emigrated from Arab countries in the 1950s and 1960s or from the former Soviet Union in the 1990s. As Ethiopians came with little more than the clothes on their backs and could neither read nor write any language, their difficulty in adapting was hardly a surprise. Discrimination But Ethiopian immigrant leaders express disappointment that many of their Israeli-born children with fluent Hebrew have fared no better and complain that the real problem is discrimination by white Israelis. "These aren't isolated incidents, it's pure discrimination," said Batia Eyob, director of an immigrant advocacy group that has documented a rise in anti-Ethiopian behaviour in the past five years. Ethiopians complain of problems finding employers to hire them, but say the discrimination starts at school. Figures show a dropout rate among Ethiopians of 23% by the age of 17 compared to 15% for other Israelis. Ethiopian youngsters say they find themselves the butt of racial slurs from some teachers as well as pupils. Asher Balata, 18, said he hit his school principal "because he called me a black person" and ended up expelled just months before high school graduation. Alemo Beleta, 29, an immigrant who works with teenagers, said they often end up caught between parents who practise Ethiopian customs and Israel's mixture of western and Middle Eastern culture. Role model "They live in two worlds, one world at school and another at home. Often that leads to rebellion," said Beleta. That has helped give rise to a thriving Ethiopian youth culture with roots in Reggae and rap music. On the negative side, there is alarm at growing numbers of suicides and domestic violence among Israelis of Ethiopian origin. For new television star Baruch, it comes down to a feeling of helplessness - though she says she has never felt it herself. She arrived in Israel aged 10 without her parents, who followed years later. She went from a boarding school for immigrants to pursue a masters degree before joining theatre groups. Baruch said she had gone on the television programme to further her own career rather than represent Ethiopian immigrants, but was happy to be a role model for any who might be watching. "The youth now need to see success stories. They see that I am accepted and that maybe they can achieve that, too," she said. "It makes them feel that anything is possible." english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/932B01AE-AD09-4E70-95C0-9436E690A884.htm
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Post by Moses on Mar 17, 2005 9:58:39 GMT -5
I guess American citizens and taxpayers have no right to information and discussion of the country that receives more foreign aid than any other country, indicating that this little country has undue influence over US political patronage.
We serfs should just confine ourselves to our social security issues. Let our betters concern themselves with all other matters.
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